To absolutely loathe the increase in smear campaigns against businesses because of the halal meat debate?

I have many Sikhs friends and this come sup now and again and they do their best to avoid it infact some have gone vegetarian because they feel like food should be labelled halal or not to give them a choice. For them ...

Sikhs are generally forbidden from eating Halal meat (and Kosher meat) as it violates the Sikh Rehat Maryada (code of conduct), which strictly prohibits consuming ritualistically slaughtered meat. For a Sikh, eating Halal is considered a major transgression due to the belief that it involves unnecessary suffering and, fundamentally, because it is meat sacrificed in the name of God.

Why cant people be given a choice. If we a diverse country and about inclusion ...

The point is that anything practiced that is illegal is punishable.

Outcry occurs PRECISELY when outrageous practices that people find abhorrent come to light. And when people learn more, they change their behaviour, an example being in the rise of purchase of free range eggs, vegetarianism and veganism.

What many people find SHOCKING is that slaughter without stunning, which is otherwise illegal in the UK, is allowed to happen just because some people have a certain religious belief the majority don’t follow, and some find offensive.

Your response is BS. If that’s the best you can come up with, give up.

Correct labelling has thus far been avoided because it's cheaper to produce most meat as Halal and only label what is going to the market that wants Halal, yet the producers know there would be massive outcry if the general public knew that their burgers were Halal. There's also resistance to labelling Halal stunned vs Halal not stunned, for obvious similar reasons.

Here is video footage of so called 'humane' gas stunning of pigs that was reported in the press at a farm in Ashton-under-Lyne. WARNING: Distressing footage, do not click if it will upset you.

Why don't you care about these animal's welfare? Because Muslims and Jews don't eat pigs so you don't care about those animals.

Good try, good try, but not good enough. Not good enough by a long, long way.

Answer my question please, about a two tier legal system. Answer the points I raise in my post HONESTLY or don’t bother.

ACTUALLY, if you bothered at all to read the OPs post, you would have seen that the OP referred specifically to halal. No mention of kosher.

Pakistan was used as an example- so what’s up? Why did the example it upset you so much? Do tell!

But what perhaps YOU don’t wish to acknowledge is that the discrepancy in the law has become more apparent because whilst there is greater visibility of outlets selling halal in the mainstream, there is little ‘kosher’.

Who asked for this? SUDDENLY people are aware there is an exemption from the law based in religion and what they see is businesses endorsing it. And don’t be surprised if people don’t like it.

I DO NOT CARE WHO CAMPAIGNED FOR IT! I want equality under the law AND I want higher welfare standards as THE NORM with ZERO exceptions!

End of.

Next time you go on a diatribe, check your facts first.

The 1933 Slaughter of Animals Act, which was introduced in 1933 to allow Jews and Muslims to slaughter animals in line with kosher and halal rules, came about because the Board of Deputies of British Jews campaigned hard for it.

No Pakistanis DEMANDED halal slaughter because Pakistan didn’t even exist as a nation in 1933.

Your post was utter, utter foolishness.

What a crap counter argument. Laws were liberalised to prevent religious control, not enforce it.

Again, tell me how far this BS should go. Child marriage for some religious communities perhaps?
Tell me OP, is it fair to give exceptions to a law based on religion? Should Westerners expect the same in non-western countries and if not, why not?

Do you think we should move toward better standards of animal welfare, or not?

How odd. I've spoken about my problems with Halal slaughter methods from an animal welfare point of view for nearly 20 years and never once suffered from any of those things.

Once more for those at the back - that's NOT what the dickheads complaining about a business catering to people who are observing Ramadan are concerned about.

Well with most western countries exceptions are made for religious beliefs. Opting out of Sundays for work (as an example) was a law that was passed to allow for religious observance which is based on Christianity when first introduced.

Well with most western countries exceptions are made for religious beliefs. Opting out of Sundays for work (as an example) was a law that was passed to allow for religious observance which is based on Christianity when first introduced.

I think the point is that people are questioning wether it's right that there should be exemptions to UK laws based on religious grounds. Whoever first campaigned for those exemptions doesn't make much difference.

That decision put animal welfare below religious belief, and many people are questioning those priorities.

Next time you go on a diatribe, check your facts first.

The 1933 Slaughter of Animals Act, which was introduced in 1933 to allow Jews and Muslims to slaughter animals in line with kosher and halal rules, came about because the Board of Deputies of British Jews campaigned hard for it.

No Pakistanis DEMANDED halal slaughter because Pakistan didn’t even exist as a nation in 1933.

Your post was utter, utter foolishness.

Slaughter without stunning is illegal in the UK, but exemptions are given for religious slaughter practices. I am against this, whatever the religion.

If I were to go to Pakistan, for example, or any any country with a different religious belief system from my own and demand exemptions from Pakistani law based on my white Christian religion, how well would that go down? Would you think that was okay in 2026? Or do you think it would be not okay, because that would suit your own agenda?
I ask, because I want you to justify why there should be exemptions in UK law for religious slaughter practice which quite frankly many people find offensive. And frankly, this exemption is not equality, it is privilege.

What if I go to Pakistan and DEMAND that Pakistan change their laws to suit ME an pd MY beliefs? Do you think that would be right? I suspect not.

Do you think 2 tier law systems are acceptable and peaceful, and if so, will you go and tell non western countries about it please? I mean, I can not imagine me turning up in China, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia ready to enjoy privileged exceptions based on being white European Christian.
I will not support any business that legitimises this bullshit. I only eat high welfare meat, and think THAT is the direction the UK should travel in with no exceptions. I find religious slaughter practices offensive and think we should move to higher welfare, and probably at some point, less meat.

You're being unreasonable to say that there isn't a debate. It's absolutely possible to reasonably question whether halal and kosher slaughtering methods cause unnecessary suffering.

Slaughter without stunning is illegal in the UK, but exemptions are given for religious slaughter practices. I am against this, whatever the religion.

If I were to go to Pakistan, for example, or any any country with a different religious belief system from my own and demand exemptions from Pakistani law based on my white Christian religion, how well would that go down? Would you think that was okay in 2026? Or do you think it would be not okay, because that would suit your own agenda?
I ask, because I want you to justify why there should be exemptions in UK law for religious slaughter practice which quite frankly many people find offensive. And frankly, this exemption is not equality, it is privilege.

What if I go to Pakistan and DEMAND that Pakistan change their laws to suit ME an pd MY beliefs? Do you think that would be right? I suspect not.

Do you think 2 tier law systems are acceptable and peaceful, and if so, will you go and tell non western countries about it please? I mean, I can not imagine me turning up in China, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia ready to enjoy privileged exceptions based on being white European Christian.
I will not support any business that legitimises this bullshit. I only eat high welfare meat, and think THAT is the direction the UK should travel in with no exceptions. I find religious slaughter practices offensive and think we should move to higher welfare, and probably at some point, less meat.

Yes, and all this will get worse once the anti-Muslum-hatred Tsar gets to work.

I really doubt that most halal meat is stunned, to be honest. Judging by the website of the Halal Monitoring Committee, only non-stunned meat counts as halal.

Slaughter without stunning is illegal in the UK, but exemptions are given for religious slaughter practices. I am against this, whatever the religion.

If I were to go to Pakistan, for example, or any any country with a different religious belief system from my own and demand exemptions from Pakistani law based on my white Christian religion, how well would that go down? Would you think that was okay in 2026? Or do you think it would be not okay, because that would suit your own agenda?
I ask, because I want you to justify why there should be exemptions in UK law for religious slaughter practice which quite frankly many people find offensive. And frankly, this exemption is not equality, it is privilege.

What if I go to Pakistan and DEMAND that Pakistan change their laws to suit ME an pd MY beliefs? Do you think that would be right? I suspect not.

Do you think 2 tier law systems are acceptable and peaceful, and if so, will you go and tell non western countries about it please? I mean, I can not imagine me turning up in China, Pakistan or Saudi Arabia ready to enjoy privileged exceptions based on being white European Christian.
I will not support any business that legitimises this bullshit. I only eat high welfare meat, and think THAT is the direction the UK should travel in with no exceptions. I find religious slaughter practices offensive and think we should move to higher welfare, and probably at some point, less meat.

easier said then done.

you criticise/campaign against Halal you can get:
ostracised
labelled a troublemaker
called an Islamophobe
labelled a liar — told you don’t understand what halal meat actually is (it’s just meat with a little prayer said over it - that’s all it is)
accused of stoking tensions between minority groups
accused of bringing historical greivances/vendettas from the “home country” to the U.K
might even be accused of a hate crime/jailed/fined

Better to keep quiet.

I don't need to be an oracle. When I hear people complaining halal meat because of concerns about animal cruelty but then see those same people happily eating ordinary meat that has been raised using typical factory farming methods, then it's pretty obvious that their concern doesn't actually run very deep.