To buy my first house two minutes down the street from traveller housing initiative?

Would you buy the house? Is there a way that you think it would be appropriate to talk about these issues?

Vermin, thieves, animals- that’s the language that has been used on this thread

Show me the post, and I'll report it.

It's indisputable that problems exist involving the behaviour of some Travellers - which is why dozens of people on this thread have advised the OP to steer well clear of that house. Almost nobody, even liberals, has advised her to go through with it. And that's not because we're all murderous Nazis. It's a reflection of reality.

To be honest, you calling the majority of people on this thread Nazis is the most extreme thing here.

@JollyGreenSleeves would you be happy to buy a house and or live beside one of these camps? If not, why not?

Only it’s not baseless though is it? Plus you’re adding in terms I didn’t actually use- although they also apply to posters on this thread so we’ll go with it. Using 4 exclamation marks doesn’t make your argument any stronger either. Nor does the fake outrage.

I’ll always call out racism when I see it. Just because you don’t like it, doesn’t make you right.

@NotTerfNorCisand most of the rest of us on this thread don’t need to ‘own’ anything. I have not used any of that derogatory terminology, nor have the vast majority of posters on here. And I’ve called out and reported previous posters for their use of any such slurs, all of which have been promptly removed.

You on the other hand… you have baselessly branded people racist, bigoted, prejudiced, akin to nazis!!!! all because they have dared to share their real life experiences. Your behaviour is despicable.

Objection to culture? That’s what you’re calling this? Vermin, thieves, animals- that’s the language that has been used on this thread. You ok with that? This is how the nazis dehumanised entire groups of people. No one group of people is better than another group of people. I learnt that when I was in primary school.

At least if you’re gonna be blatantly racist, own it and call it what it is.

Jesus christ, so we've had bigot, racist and now Nazi?! Can ypu not debate like an adult rather than throwing out the latest insult you learnt on twitter? And don't tell people what they think, you're not a mind reader.

It's you who's being pompous.

People's objection is to the culture, not to the 'race'.

Why don't you open your eyes and actually read the experiences on this thread.

You shared your personal experience, without dehumanising language that is so problematic, so my comment doesn’t apply to you, good on you.

Has the OP been back?

For the record, I lived down the road from a permanent traveller camp for years. No problems at all, really well kept. Far better than some of the other people in the block of flats.

I had a secretary from a traveller family for a while. Lovely, funny, clever, hardworking.

My son's rugby team's manager is an Irish traveller (refers to himself as a 'pikey'). A bit rough round the edges, but a very decent human being, and great with people.

I'm sure some travellers are dicks, and I'm not denying that people have had bad experiences. But there are good and bad in every group.

@NCAgainAgainAgainAgain maybe you should learn to take people as you find them, rather than writing post after tedious post after tedious post laying bare your prejudice. Is this really how you spend your spare time?

Sorry? Digging what exactly? If you have an educated, coherent argument to make, then make it.

https://wp-main.travellermovement.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/The-Last-Acceptable-Form-of-Racism-2017.pdf

Keep digging @NCAgainAgainAgainAgain

I don’t think I’m better than any community of people. I was born in a squat and then raised on a council estate FFS 😅 What I do think I am, is better than people who steal, who commit crimes, who beat their wives and children, abuse animals and litter their environment…all of which are statistically far more common in the TC. For example, travellers account for 1% of the population here in Ireland, but represent over 10% of the male prison population. Female members of the TC are over 20 times more likely to be imprisoned than non travelling women.

And anyone who says they wouldn’t think twice about living next to a community of people who are statistically far more likely to be terrible neighbours, is lying or just incredibly dumb.

Donkeys years ago I was given a council house, right next door to a family of travellers that had also been given a council house.

From day one, they chucked shitty nappies over the fence into my garden, kitchen rubbish, bottles. When I asked nicely to please stop, the 'man' of the house threatened to rape me.

After a year of misery they burnt their house down, which caught onto our house and we were homeless for a few months.

Other experiences of local travellers would have me telling you...Don't do it op.

Ok- I’ll waste 30 seconds on you.
You wouldn’t live next to ‘them’ due to your exceptional experience, whatever that means. You do realise how pompous you sound? You think you’re better than ‘them’, superior, whatever you want to call it. This is based on their ethnic group. You have quite a lot in common with Nazis- they tried to exterminate travellers, Roma along with Jews and many other ethnic minorities because they thought they were superior. But you think me calling out your racism is a ‘derogatory slur’. You’re content to hold negative views about an entire group of people, and vocalise them (anonymous only though I bet!) because you’re so exceptionally experienced. And no, you likely still don’t get it, because there’s one thing all racists have in common and that’s ignorance.

Yes I do think you’re racist and that you’ll talk yourself into thinking you like

Hahahaha, pathetic!

Point to one single derogatory slur I’ve used on this thread. You won’t be able to, because that kind of behaviour is not something I engage in.

And when it comes to the topic of whether or not to live alongside travellers, I’m exceptionally experienced and well informed.

You’d know!

Funny how folk are happy to call whole groups of people vermin, animals, thieves- yet pile on in defence of themselves and each other when someone calls them out for being racist.

Dehumanising entire groups of people, talking about them as if they’re inferior, reminds me Nazi ideology.

And it’s really easy to be an inexperienced, ill informed poster on an anonymous site who loves to throw baseless, derogatory slurs at other posters. Pathetic

It is racism/prejudice/discrimination.
There is no gainsaying that. It is judging a person or a family because of the ethnicity they come from and that is never fair. Of course it isn’t,

There are an increased number of social problems among the travelling community (as a whole) in Ireland. That is a fact. If someone is spending €€€ on a house they want to ensure that the resale won’t be affected by social issues in the immediate area. Or their life won’t be affected by same. With Travellers as neighbours the risk is higher. That is true and people know it, yet acting on it is discriminatory towards the individuals involved. That’s where we are.

Most Irish people would have serious qualms about buying the house.
It’s common sense as pp said but it’s also prejudice towards the families involved. It’s both.

It’s really easy to spout offensive racist views on an anonymous site. Cowardly.

Nope, the word “racist” isn’t employed once