New neighbours. AIBU?

They may have flipped with it being Ramadan. I know my friends who are observing Ramadan are really struggling with the early mornings and eating and praying. They’re exhausted all day. So it kind of makes sense sleeping in the day if they can. Although Ramadan only started on the 13th February, I think.

Are they muslim by any chance? I know Muslims observing ramadhan are up at 4am this month

If they seem reasonable record the sound for them and let them hear how bad it is. If not, the council will insist on carpets whether they can afford them or not.

If the baby has definitely never left the flat in 2 months I would contact ss or the nspcc. A welfare check is needed.

do the parents go out? It all seems very strange.

When I lived in a flat a few years ago, I had new upstairs neighbours and I actually thought it was a dog running around until 3-4am most nights. I didn’t want to complain and left them to it. Later after the noise had stopped I actually found out that it was their toddler who was up all night and social services had removed the little one due to neglect. I’m not saying this is the case here, but something to be aware of. Nothing else ever gave it away that there was something wrong

It sounds awful for you, but ultimately I suspect falls within the realms of household noise for a family with a young child. We went on holiday with friends recently and I realised that they must be fairly annoying neighbours at home - but there’s very little they can do about it. Their eighteen-month-old is a very poor sleeper, so up all night whining and crying, friends clearly try their best to keep the noise down but they can’t make him sleep and he’s too young to be kept quiet; and they’re both at their wits’ ends, exhausted, and a couple of their whispered 3am bickers did become somewhat louder than whispered a couple of times.

If they were receptive and did make an effort when you spoke with them, they clearly aren’t shitty neighbours, and it may just be a case of riding things out until their children are a bit older and they can manage nights better. A white noise machine might help with your sleep.

Is the baby up every night crying or is that an example of noise you’ve heard once or twice?

I suppose if the children are school age, it can be a sign of a dysfunctional home life to have them up all night? Certainly wouldn't help their schooling and behaviour.

If social housing I think it's written in most contracts that have to have carpets in flats. Any way of finding out?
You have my sympathies though, I live next door to someone who is incredibly noisy.

I am extremely sound sensitive. I recommend loop earplugs. Maybe unhelpful if you have a small child who needs to be able to wake you up in the night but otherwise a godsend.

Why would social services be needed for people whose body clocks are different? Are there rules and regulations on what time people must go to bed?

Maisonettes with poor sound proofing are not made for more than one family to live in. Having been on the ground floor of one in the past, the noise from upstairs was horrific and really, all it was were simple living noises.

Their lifestyle is different to yours, neither of you are unreasonable - you’ve just both ended up in unfortunate circumstances

Also, re carpets, it may be a requirement of the lease that floors are carpeted so, if there are no carpets, they may be in breach of the lease. You could mention this to the freeholder or, if they rent, to their landlord (who would also be in breach of the lease).
I also agree with PPs that does not sound right that young children are frequently up until the small hours; Input from social services might be a good idea.

My neighbours are like this. During the day they’re relatively quiet but at least one of their kids runs around screaming and shouting from about 5pm until at least 3am. He’s not a baby or even a toddler. We have no justification for calling social services because we’ve yet to see any evidence that the kids are anything other than clean, healthy, well dressed and provided for and we do see them get taken to school etc, playing happily in the garden, lots of toys etc. But we have absolutely no idea what the deal is with them running around yelling all night.

Why is the baby left crying all night if they are up till 4am? Who is lookin after the baby in the day if they don’t wake till 2pm?!
this sounds like child neglect once or twice as a one off is okay, but every day?!

Why is a one year old baby crying all night long?
report them to social services this is neglect. Poor baby

Do we live next to each other? On a serious note we’ve had new neighbours a few months ago and it’s clear they are awake until 2-3am most days and I’m not sure if it’s just because it’s night time so genuinely quieter but it sounds like they are elephants marching around and slamming cupboard doors etc.

Especially when they play music it’s so frustrating.

I get 9pm fine but 11,12,1,2 am so annoying

Do you know if the flat is carpeted? If not; thst could help reduce noise. Seems a very odd schedule for a family with children, do the children not go to nursery or school?