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To feel like a right loser- anyone else?

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Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 10:38

I read the posts of my household income is £250k a year but we have a 5 yr old Range Rover, I’m not well off, I know you shouldn’t but I can’t help but compare and just feel so inadequate.

i also work in an environment as a (lower) snr manager surrounded by heads of, directors and exco who regularly talk of their life and lifestyle, sneering at people who go on caravan holidays, use state schools, go to the canaries on holiday, only wear designer clothes etc. And god I feel like such a loser, and the irony of oh well if you paid me more I’d be able to do those things too.

I’ve tried my best to work my way up the ladder and I earn £60k plus bonus (I’m in my mid 30s) and DH is about the same (bigger bonus) so we earn about £130k a year which it’s crazy that I feel like a loser but I just do. Do any other middle earners feel the same way? And then feel ridiculous about it given that so many are struggling with the CoL. It’s this weird duality of feeling like a loser and then feeling stupid for it. All salary gains have basically been eroded by the rise in everything.

i also can’t move on job wise as I just found out im pregnant with my 3rd (im sure that is playing into my feelings too)

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BrokenWingsCantFly · 08/03/2026 13:08

On £60K a year you are far from failing in life.

Mumsnet can often make it look like it is common place to be reaching £100k+ salaries, but in most areas and walks of life, the majority of hard working people will not reach your salaries, let alone the £100k+

Just look at your company, how many are sitting in that top table, then how many work there. There isn't enough room at the top for them all to take a turn at the table is there.

Your bosses sound like dicks by the way, awful people. Money can't buy class.

I done a luxury 5* long haul holiday years back, my boss said you will never want to do an EU holiday again after that. Well I have done many EU breaks since, love the freedom you have being able to venture freely in safer destinations, even if i won the lottery that will never change. Also got a caravan holiday booked for spring this year. Those arseholes may hate those type of holidays as they are not status brag breaks, but there are many people who actually love them for the freedom and a good base to roam

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 13:05

sugarapplelane · 08/03/2026 12:57

To be honest, going to Dubai and Florida are not the type of holidays I’d be envious of. Yes, they may be expensive, but they are a bit shallow and somewhat lacking in culture.
I’m more envious of people going to places like New Zealand, Japan and Vietnam, with beautiful scenery, amazing food and a deep rooted culture. Japan and Vietnam are both amazing by the way and I’m saving up for my trip to NZ

To be clear those were examples I used to illustrate how kids (my kids in those examples) often prefer the ‘cheap and cheerful’ holidays over the ‘expensive’ ones and the kids who had just come back from park dean probably thought it was the best thing since sliced bread and that’s really want it’s all about making memories

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Twattergy · 08/03/2026 13:04

Your twattish colleagues sound like the losers to me.

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 13:03

SumUp · 08/03/2026 13:00

Ahh finance. Your colleagues draw their self worth from how much they make, and displaying that wealth in visible ways. Not every workplace is like that.

Sometimes it is a few execs setting the tone, with other colleagues falling into line. The culture can sometimes improve if certain people leave.

But the good news if you can’t wait is that finance skills are needed in all kinds of industries. I would advise to put your head down, engage minimally with them unless it is directly work related, and make plans to move to a less toxic workplace in the future. Make sure you use Linked In and start exploring and making connections.

Oh I will be leaving and what’s odd I’ve worked in many different firms in finance and never heard this sort of discussion at the big big banks, there is a tone deafness. The irony is that they try to pay people as little as possible too.

but yes I’m hoping for a promotion and then I can use that job hop after mat leave. Although I feel as though if I don’t secure that promotion prior to announcing my pregnancy it won’t happen.

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SumUp · 08/03/2026 13:00

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:41

Finance and I’m in my mid 30s

Ahh finance. Your colleagues draw their self worth from how much they make, and displaying that wealth in visible ways. Not every workplace is like that.

Sometimes it is a few execs setting the tone, with other colleagues falling into line. The culture can sometimes improve if certain people leave.

But the good news if you can’t wait is that finance skills are needed in all kinds of industries. I would advise to put your head down, engage minimally with them unless it is directly work related, and make plans to move to a less toxic workplace in the future. Make sure you use Linked In and start exploring and making connections.

Birdsongisangry · 08/03/2026 13:00

You lost me at suggesting that 250k isn't a big inheritance. That's life changing for most people I know. Including if you're in an expensive part of the country.

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:59

Ponoka7 · 08/03/2026 12:56

If you think that you should be better, then you are also looking down. You think that you are better because you went to private school, so deep down you agree with them. Perhaps remind yourself that the people's hands, your life and your newborns life will be in, earn less than you. You must think that the catering and cleaning staff are pure scum. Try to not let your arrogance show. These threads do remind us that higher earners aren't any more intelligent, or can think more critically, than some of the lowest earners.

Erm that’s a lot of inference I most certainly do not think that people who didn’t go to private school are worse than me. I actually loathed my school, it was one of the most awful awful experiences and not one I’d ever wish on anyone.

your point on cleaning staff is baffling

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sugarapplelane · 08/03/2026 12:57

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:08

It’s pretty uncomfortable for me as well as people below given they are so significantly snr to me. I have chimed in with a reminder that we all operate to different budgets and different priorities and then personal anecdotes about how my kids found a holiday to Butlins the best that they’ve ever had and they’ve been to Florida and Dubai. But it doesn’t really take the sting out too much, damage is done really

To be honest, going to Dubai and Florida are not the type of holidays I’d be envious of. Yes, they may be expensive, but they are a bit shallow and somewhat lacking in culture.
I’m more envious of people going to places like New Zealand, Japan and Vietnam, with beautiful scenery, amazing food and a deep rooted culture. Japan and Vietnam are both amazing by the way and I’m saving up for my trip to NZ

Egit · 08/03/2026 12:57

I’m a teacher. I earn £48k. I have 2 teens, a mortgage and an injured dh earning very less than me atm. I am living pay check to pay check and feel like I’m sinking most months.

There are TAs in my school on half my salary and living a much more lavish lifestyle than me!… Holidays abroad more than once a year, designer clothes, fancy new cars etc.

They are mostly in their 20s, living at home with very little outgoings. A couple of them are at the stage of buying a house and settling down… their circumstances will change soon enough. They just don’t realise it yet.

My point is…. Comparison will just eat you up. Everyone’s circumstances are different regardless of salary

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:57

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:54

Bigger irony still it was me… we had secondary infertility which I’m now interpreting as a ‘sign’

All the more reason to be grateful yes, I too had secondary infertility. My ds is now 10… if I buy some miracle fell pregnant tomorrow, I honestly wouldn’t keep it, I don’t feel guilty in knowing that fact. I’m happy as I am, I’m very grateful for what I do have.

that’s not me saying that you’re doing the wrong thing by the way, you do you, do what makes you happy and if this is what you want then isn’t that amazing ❤️

Ponoka7 · 08/03/2026 12:56

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:38

They aren’t my peers they are most definitely my superiors

nope sorry it’s not that I feel entitled to what they have, they aren’t less deserving than I. More that I feel like I should be better than I am. But thanks for your feedback

If you think that you should be better, then you are also looking down. You think that you are better because you went to private school, so deep down you agree with them. Perhaps remind yourself that the people's hands, your life and your newborns life will be in, earn less than you. You must think that the catering and cleaning staff are pure scum. Try to not let your arrogance show. These threads do remind us that higher earners aren't any more intelligent, or can think more critically, than some of the lowest earners.

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:54

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:44

Ok well then why not focus on the positives… you so much wanted a third pregnancy and now you have that, how blessed are you?! There are women in this world who yearn every day for a child. Focus on the positive.

Bigger irony still it was me… we had secondary infertility which I’m now interpreting as a ‘sign’

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WorryingWendyDarling · 08/03/2026 12:53

Newly single mum on £19k and no CMS 🙋🏻‍♀️

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:53

shuggles · 08/03/2026 12:47

@Conundrummum123 You're on a high salary yourself, and yet, you have made a completely bonkers thread trying to portray yourself as a "middle earner." The majority of people would love to earn £60k a year.

You are not a middle earner. Middle earner would be £35 - 40k.

I’ve seen between 38-60k is a middle earner salary.

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Wedonttalkaboutboris · 08/03/2026 12:50

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 10:48

I guess maybe I worry If I’m going to be able to afford it and then probably also be judged on not being able to afford the 3.

it is that trap you’re right, but god you can’t help but feel inadequate. I have had to step in and remind people that people operate on different budgets but it’s just scoffed at, I’m definitely not the lowest paid person who can overhear these conversations, so it can’t feel good for them either esp when your family holidays are mocked

They sound awful- completely out of touch and snobby. Why are you comparing yourself to such morally vile people? I’d relish not being anything like them tbh. Do not let them get to you.

We’re on 150K+ (not that it bloody matters!) and you wouldn’t know it because we live fairly modestly and plough lots into our pension and savings. We both went to state school and holidayed in caravans. What you earn doesn’t define your value as a person. It’s a shame they’re too shallow and unemotionally intelligent to know that. I’d feel a bit sorry for them.

Catecatecate · 08/03/2026 12:47

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:44

Ok well then why not focus on the positives… you so much wanted a third pregnancy and now you have that, how blessed are you?! There are women in this world who yearn every day for a child. Focus on the positive.

Exactly! There are people working minimum wage jobs and struggling with infertility be grateful for your children your job pays better than the majority of people, there will always be someone richer!

shuggles · 08/03/2026 12:47

@Conundrummum123 You're on a high salary yourself, and yet, you have made a completely bonkers thread trying to portray yourself as a "middle earner." The majority of people would love to earn £60k a year.

You are not a middle earner. Middle earner would be £35 - 40k.

Friendlygingercat · 08/03/2026 12:44

Your workplace sounds toxic. These people are your colleagues not your friends. Here is a reason to go in, do your hours to the best of your ability, and share as little of your personal life and aspitations as possible. Grey rock.

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:44

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:40

It was much wanted

Ok well then why not focus on the positives… you so much wanted a third pregnancy and now you have that, how blessed are you?! There are women in this world who yearn every day for a child. Focus on the positive.

Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:41

SumUp · 08/03/2026 12:37

What industry is this? How old are you?

I’ve been a high earner, but this is far from my experience. One of the advantages of earning well is that it gives you the freedom to do what the fuck you want with your money.

Former colleagues and friends use their money according to their interests. They don’t give a toss what others think. One breeds llamas on her hobby farm, another has her own pottery studio. Another owns a retreat centre. Their vehicles are mostly a few years old but nothing flashy and they holiday in fairly down to earth places. They are more focused on quality time with family than impressing acquaintances.

So don’t squander your opportunities by feeling inferior. Decide what you want from your life and spend / save accordingly. Ignore others.

Finance and I’m in my mid 30s

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Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:40

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:36

I may get some flack for this…but if the 3rd pregnancy was not planned, you do have other options? I mean that kindly.

It was much wanted

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Conundrummum123 · 08/03/2026 12:38

CossyBunt · 08/03/2026 12:29

OP - I think you are ridiculous and to be honest, a bit of a spoilt brat. You had a privileged upbringing and now you are throwing your toys out of the pram because you don’t perceive you are on par with your peers. You don’t feel you are where you SHOULD be due to your privileged background. It’s entitlement dressed up as a pity party. YOUR post is crass, never mind the other post you were referring to.

They aren’t my peers they are most definitely my superiors

nope sorry it’s not that I feel entitled to what they have, they aren’t less deserving than I. More that I feel like I should be better than I am. But thanks for your feedback

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ilovesooty · 08/03/2026 12:38

ClipJoint · 08/03/2026 10:54

I thankfully don’t mix with people who sneer at state school and care about designer clothes,

I know the current economic climate is hard on many (most) people, but try to get some perspective.

What are your values? What do you care about?

If you chase after shiny things you’ll always be unhappy, as there is always someone with a bigger house, better car, flashier holidays.

Very true. Why should you care about what other people earn or their opinion of you?

SumUp · 08/03/2026 12:37

What industry is this? How old are you?

I’ve been a high earner, but this is far from my experience. One of the advantages of earning well is that it gives you the freedom to do what the fuck you want with your money.

Former colleagues and friends use their money according to their interests. They don’t give a toss what others think. One breeds llamas on her hobby farm, another has her own pottery studio. Another owns a retreat centre. Their vehicles are mostly a few years old but nothing flashy and they holiday in fairly down to earth places. They are more focused on quality time with family than impressing acquaintances.

So don’t squander your opportunities by feeling inferior. Decide what you want from your life and spend / save accordingly. Ignore others.

Statsquestion1 · 08/03/2026 12:36

I may get some flack for this…but if the 3rd pregnancy was not planned, you do have other options? I mean that kindly.