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To wonder why “new money” is so frowned upon in the UK?

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Namechanged2026 · 08/03/2026 09:50

Dh and I are what you would describe as ‘new money’. We both had very working class childhoods but have since earnt very well. We live in a big modern house, drive new cars (financed as it’s silly to put so much money into a depreciating asset - it works out cheaper to finance if you want a new car every 4 years) and enjoy a few abroad holidays per year (yes, we do like Dubai for the guarantee of weather, relatively short flight and quality of resorts (although we’re definitely not flashy Instagram types😂)). Our children go to private school and have had experiences that me and DH could only have dreamed of as kids.

We worked hard, got lucky and enjoy a lifestyle that we can afford. We don’t dress in tacky designer clothes (although we do have a few designer bags, belts, shoes between us), nor are we ‘flashy’.

But why is there so much snobbery towards this in the UK? Many people on super low incomes would talk about my situation negatively in a way that would suggest they would rather chose a lifestyle with a modest income and fewer luxuries because it’s almost embarrassing to want more than this. I see working class people use the phrase “money talks, wealth whispers” in reference to anything that looks like it might have been very obviously expensive. What do these people think that they would do if they all of a sudden had a super high income… just remain as they are as “money talks”?! Of course not. Yet they see no problem with the “old school” kind of wealth (country estates, kids at boarding school, muddy wellies etc etc).

It’s only in the UK that I think this attitude exists. In other countries it seems like such a positive thing to aim for a high flying career, to admit to wanting to earn as much money as possible, to discuss wanting to travel lavishly and experience lots of things. It’s actively encouraged. However in the UK, I think there is an attitude of mocking these kind of attitudes and suggesting people are shallow for aiming for this. I remember being at uni and telling a family friend that I wanted to buy a house in X area when I was older, only to be met with “is round here (a council estate) not good enough for you then?”.

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mathanxiety · 09/03/2026 02:36

itsthetea · 08/03/2026 21:25

It’s conspicuous consumption also it’s expecting adoration because you have money as though it’s proof of your high moral state and innate worth

I think you are projecting massively there.

mathanxiety · 09/03/2026 02:34

Bikenutz · 09/03/2026 00:49

People who choose flashy new cars, other signs of ostentatious wealth and holidays to Dubai are, in my experience, those who have little education beyond secondary school or are very working class.

A lot of your critics have money but you are assuming they don’t because they are choosing not to spend their money on those outward displays of wealth.

Is there something wrong with having very little education or being working class?

mathanxiety · 09/03/2026 02:32

DdraigGoch · 08/03/2026 22:17

Greed is the root of all social injustice according to the Prophet Muhammed. So it's not just British culture that frowns on "flashy".

You haven't seen conspicuous consumption if you haven't seen middle eastern conspicuous consumption.

It really is only in the UK and areas deeply steeped in British culture that the value judgements are made wrt how you present yourself.

There is no innate virtue in driving a clapped out old Volvo that reeks of wet dog, but there are British people who sincerely believe this makes them Better People than those who drive a shiny new BMW and get it cleaned regularly.

Even worse, there are British people who have very little by way of prospects who accept the lowly status of their lives because they believe the myth that only the upper classes and the lowest classes are happy and secure, and those in the middle who want better for themselves - who do not know their place, in other words - will never know happiness, because happiness comes from knowing your place.

Hence the self-limiting attitudes that work against education.

Bikenutz · 09/03/2026 00:49

Namechanged2026 · 08/03/2026 09:56

But the general distaste for this comes from those that are generally much less well off. Those that are wealthy (even old money), couldn’t give two hoots and admire people creating wealth for themselves.

People who choose flashy new cars, other signs of ostentatious wealth and holidays to Dubai are, in my experience, those who have little education beyond secondary school or are very working class.

A lot of your critics have money but you are assuming they don’t because they are choosing not to spend their money on those outward displays of wealth.

Smileysmoke · 09/03/2026 00:37

Tutorpuzzle · 08/03/2026 09:59

I don’t think new money is frowned upon at all. The age of deference towards an upper class who siphon generations worth of money into tax avoidance schemes (typified by our now defunct royal family) is almost completely gone.

What you have experienced, as others have said, is simply jealousy.

However, it does remain a bit yuck to talk about your wealth to people who are never likely to experience the same advantages.

I agree. I think the UK places high value on modesty and this is maybe what op is referring to... It is 100% yuck to talk about your wealth or flash it to people who are never likely to experience the same. I have some rich friends who are modest and just wonderful people. I know one couple who make my skin crawl because of the way they flash their wealth and prosperity in the face of others.

Calliopespa · 08/03/2026 23:45

LimeShaker · 08/03/2026 22:07

I feel a lot of the responses here are v disingenuous- look at any of the ‘class’ threads it will mention all the things OP has listed with derision. OP for what it’s worth I think it is particularly seeped into British culture as it is an old county with a hereditary monarchy which suggests that one family is the ‘best’ and everything flows down from that point. There is therefore an in built class system and what you are experiencing is class snobbery - obviously if you had stayed on the estate and ‘knew your place’ you wouldn’t get this as you would be surrounded by others who are similar. In a slightly less serious and cultural way I think people are irked by seeing people with money who spend it in a different way that way would if they had it and everyone thinks their own taste is superior of course Hmm

I agree with your final point, but I think the first about a hierarchy of families is very outdated. I know plenty of creaky old aristo families who don't feel " above" other well-connected, well-educated families who have certain values. Class exists, but it isn't quite as rigid as a spanning out from one "top" family in a kind of numbered sequence.

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 22:38

cantthinkofagoodusername1 · 08/03/2026 22:29

The behaviour is the big one for me. I don’t expect others to pick up after me, I don’t look down on those who wear Primark etc.

Regarding my occupation, I won’t give too much detail as it would be outing, but I am a consultant in my industry and have been for 15 years, and have 25 years experience and education in total. I have three degrees. Only one is technically required, but the others add depth to my knowledge and experience.

You make a fair sensible point.

cantthinkofagoodusername1 · 08/03/2026 22:29

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 22:15

More skilled, more valuable to the economy etc. but you make a valuable point on behaviour. I think OP buys nice stuff to enjoy and feel good instead of rubbing it into the faces of the have notes.

What do you do btw if you're okay sharing?

The behaviour is the big one for me. I don’t expect others to pick up after me, I don’t look down on those who wear Primark etc.

Regarding my occupation, I won’t give too much detail as it would be outing, but I am a consultant in my industry and have been for 15 years, and have 25 years experience and education in total. I have three degrees. Only one is technically required, but the others add depth to my knowledge and experience.

paloma7 · 08/03/2026 22:21

OP, this is your third thread on this topic since yesterday! What's going on with you?

Nobody cares about cars - except you!

I can't imagine anybody defining their position in life by a car. Ffs! Who cares?

Get whatever car you like. Just stop going on and on and on and on about this!

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 22:19

There's a difference between walking around in designer clothes and walking around in designer clothes and looking down those who wear Primark.

DdraigGoch · 08/03/2026 22:17

Namechanged2026 · 08/03/2026 10:11

But why is it frowned upon to have ‘flashy’ things? It’s definitely a British thing. Why should someone have to live frugally to avoid negativity?

In other countries, it is considered a positive thing to have enough money to spend to buy extravagant things. Where as in the UK, many working class/lower class people will trot out with “a brand new car? Ghastly! I’d much rather my 15 year old corsa that cost me £2,000” etc.

Greed is the root of all social injustice according to the Prophet Muhammed. So it's not just British culture that frowns on "flashy".

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 22:15

cantthinkofagoodusername1 · 08/03/2026 22:07

No one is saying you can’t. It’s how you behave. Do you believe that your money makes you better than other people and is a license to behave badly?
I am a high earner before you accuse me of jealousy (as in £500,000 high earner). However I don’t think my money makes me better than anyone else.

edit for typo.

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More skilled, more valuable to the economy etc. but you make a valuable point on behaviour. I think OP buys nice stuff to enjoy and feel good instead of rubbing it into the faces of the have notes.

What do you do btw if you're okay sharing?

LimeShaker · 08/03/2026 22:07

I feel a lot of the responses here are v disingenuous- look at any of the ‘class’ threads it will mention all the things OP has listed with derision. OP for what it’s worth I think it is particularly seeped into British culture as it is an old county with a hereditary monarchy which suggests that one family is the ‘best’ and everything flows down from that point. There is therefore an in built class system and what you are experiencing is class snobbery - obviously if you had stayed on the estate and ‘knew your place’ you wouldn’t get this as you would be surrounded by others who are similar. In a slightly less serious and cultural way I think people are irked by seeing people with money who spend it in a different way that way would if they had it and everyone thinks their own taste is superior of course Hmm

cantthinkofagoodusername1 · 08/03/2026 22:07

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 19:41

There's so much venom directed towards high earners on MN. So much, how dare we ask to keep the fruits of our labour.

No one is saying you can’t. It’s how you behave. Do you believe that your money makes you better than other people and is a license to behave badly?
I am a high earner before you accuse me of jealousy (as in £500,000 high earner). However I don’t think my money makes me better than anyone else.

edit for typo.

itsthetea · 08/03/2026 21:40

Op ( or her clones )
posts frequently about how people are negative about her wealth

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 21:38

I read the thread, OP has nice stuff but doesn't rub it in the face of those that don't. That's fine.

itsthetea · 08/03/2026 21:25

It’s conspicuous consumption also it’s expecting adoration because you have money as though it’s proof of your high moral state and innate worth

Blueharmonica · 08/03/2026 21:22

Tall poppy syndrome, Rachel Reeves types.

nomas · 08/03/2026 21:17

Namechanged2026 · 08/03/2026 10:18

I haven’t faced this reaction in real life. But I see it all over social media and MN.

It’s not only towards people who brag about it.

You’re seeing it on MN because the British philosophy is that talking about your wealth and assets is crass yet so people like you OP just don’t get this.

I work with a few rich people with 8 figure value houses but you wouldn’t know it if you spoke
to them.

It wouldn’t occur to them to do what you’ve done on this thread. You seem to have a pathological need to talk about money.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2026 20:51

Happytap · 08/03/2026 19:18

I'll bite.

To be honest I cringed at most of your post. I am probably 'old money' in that I do come from at least a couple of generations of proper money, estates, Eton etc.

I think it's just all a bit crass and embarrassing. Dubai - anyone with old money left decades ago and isn't seen dead there. I say that as someone who had family ties to the royal family there. New car every four years - tacky. Designer handbags - depends, when you wear them, what designer etc.

Money also doesn't change your class. If you're working class and then get wealthy you are still working class. And vice versa if I suddenly lost all our money and ended up in a council estate I wouldn't suddenly become working class, I'd just be a poor middle class person (of which there are millions!)

None of this is to say you shouldn't enjoy the results of your hard work in whatever way you see fit!

What you're saying is that your class markers are superior to the OP's class markers.

You're proving her point.

(And I personally think it's crass and embarrassing to blather about your ties to the RF and your old money. I come from old money and the ways it was come by were utterly shameful. Most old money found its way into the coffers of the rich by way of the exploitation of the poor and the powerless. The RF are nothing to brag about these days).

mathanxiety · 08/03/2026 20:48

Thecows · 08/03/2026 20:36

As lots of us have said repeatedly it's the conspicuous consumption not the actual money earned.

The phrase 'conspicuous consumption' is loaded with judgement and I'd like to suggest it's a mischaracterisation of others' behaviour related to feelings of the beholder.

It's not conspicuous if you don't make it your business to find out about it. It's not done to rub your nose in your own lack of consumption. There's a strange psychological dynamic going on there.

Theyreeatingthedogs · 08/03/2026 20:45

faerylights · 08/03/2026 10:10

This.

I don't care how much money someone has, but blathering on about how well off you are is just distasteful and a shit way to behave.

Couldn't agree more.

mathanxiety · 08/03/2026 20:44

Namechanged2026 · 08/03/2026 09:56

But the general distaste for this comes from those that are generally much less well off. Those that are wealthy (even old money), couldn’t give two hoots and admire people creating wealth for themselves.

Inferiority complex and envy, and self hatred that they project onto you.

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 20:40

Thecows · 08/03/2026 20:36

As lots of us have said repeatedly it's the conspicuous consumption not the actual money earned.

Fair point. I didn't read the whole thread. Just the OP

Thecows · 08/03/2026 20:36

Wirtschaft · 08/03/2026 19:41

There's so much venom directed towards high earners on MN. So much, how dare we ask to keep the fruits of our labour.

As lots of us have said repeatedly it's the conspicuous consumption not the actual money earned.