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To think I am not going to whither away?

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wavecurlnoidea · 07/03/2026 23:31

Soooo, my BIL tells me today that I am destined to suffer sarcopenia and muscle loss when older because I only eat meat 3 times per week. Even worse, my chosen meat is fish.

i just prefer that, although I do like poultry every now and again. I don’t care about following a diet, it’s how I like to eat. I mix this with lots of whole grains, lentils, beans and dairy. I also like a bit of sugar for treats. I eat tons of veg. But I understand that I need more than that.

His theory is I won’t get enough protein and fish is inferior. And only eating it 3 times a week is encouraging muscle loss.

I am 50 and fairly fit, normal weight and feel ok. Health check recently just fine.

is he or am I the arsehole?

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FourChimneys · 10/03/2026 07:33

Lifelong very strict vegetarian /vegan for several decades person here. I have not withered away, I am healthy, very active and am rarely ill. Mid 60s.

For an unrelated issue I had to have several tests and scans recently. Bone density is far better than average for my age, heart etc all fine.

Your BIL seems very uneducated about diets and nutrition but I suspect it is easier to ignore him than to try to change his mind.

Knittedanimal · 10/03/2026 07:22

Putting aside the bunkum you've written, people across the globe eat plant based diets, not only middle class western women.
Modern vegan food is much less expensive than meat, but a bag of lentils, one of brown rice and another of spinach will feed a family for several days, offering adequate nutrition and costing a fraction of any animal based alternative.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 10/03/2026 00:11

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 10/03/2026 00:05

Meat isn't necessary for protein and B12 vitamins provided you have the means and the knowledge to buy the required replacement foods to ensure you do not become deficient in B12 vitamins, iron and long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.

Without knowledge and money it's incredibly difficult to follow a "healthy" vegan diet which is one of the reasons it is predominantly followed by middle-class women in the West. It is however, incredibly easy to be vegan and very unhealthy if you do not have the requisite knowledge and available funds to buy vegan foods that are often quite expensive - nuts in particular cost more per kilo than meat - I know which one I prefer.

Veganism is a quasi-religion in that it shares characteristics with faith, such as a moral framework, strict dietary codes, and its cult-like members are always proselytizing.

Potential Health Risks for Vegans:

  • Bone Health: Studies have indicated a higher risk of total, hip, and leg fractures, partly due to lower average BMI and lower calcium intake.
  • Mental Health: Some evidence suggests higher rates of anxiety and depression.
  • Brain Function: Potential for cognitive impairment (brain fog) due to deficiencies like choline
  • Muscle Wasting: Potential due to lower overall protein or calorie intake. National Institutes of Health (.gov)
TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 10/03/2026 00:05

DownsideUpside · 09/03/2026 19:38

What a weird reply. The OP is concerned about meat intake for protein and b12, we know that meat isn’t necessary for those things. I’m not talking about beliefs, religious or otherwise. It’s science.

Meat isn't necessary for protein and B12 vitamins provided you have the means and the knowledge to buy the required replacement foods to ensure you do not become deficient in B12 vitamins, iron and long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.

Without knowledge and money it's incredibly difficult to follow a "healthy" vegan diet which is one of the reasons it is predominantly followed by middle-class women in the West. It is however, incredibly easy to be vegan and very unhealthy if you do not have the requisite knowledge and available funds to buy vegan foods that are often quite expensive - nuts in particular cost more per kilo than meat - I know which one I prefer.

Veganism is a quasi-religion in that it shares characteristics with faith, such as a moral framework, strict dietary codes, and its cult-like members are always proselytizing.

Enrichetta · 09/03/2026 23:58

So, in an average week you eat
1 portion of meat
2 portions of fish
a few eggs
some dairy
several portions of lentils.

To me this sounds like not enough protein. A woman needs a minimum of 0.8g protein per kilogram of body weight. I would suggest that you track your protein intake for a week or two to get a clearer idea of whether you are consuming enough. (There are lists of protein content of different foods online.)

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 23:48

Knittedanimal · 09/03/2026 23:21

I would think that's because they aren't getting enough to eat.
Meat isn't a necessary component of a healthy diet.

Meat may not be a necessary component of a healthy diet for middle-class women with the education and means to buy the required foods to ensure that they do not suffer from malnutrition, particularly B12 vitamins.
Most people on the planet are not in that very privileged position.
Virtue signalling is an indulgence of a privileged minority.

WelshRabBite · 09/03/2026 23:46

In terms of protein, a simple rule of thumb is that you should be having the number you weigh in kg (say 70) in grams of protein per day minimum, up to about double (in this example 140g).

This is much easier to do if you eat meat and fish, and not impossible to do if you’re vegan/vegetarian, but it takes a lot more thought.

Muscle and bone density in middle aged women starts to rapidly decrease and doesn’t stop/reverse unless you actively do things which will build muscle and bone density (such as training with weights and eating a balanced diet with protein).

Judging by your meal examples OP, you have a fantastic diet and I’d love to eat at your house 😂 but I obviously dont know the exact measurements of each thing you’re eating in a day to know what level of protein you’re in taking.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 23:44

Knittedanimal · 09/03/2026 23:21

I would think that's because they aren't getting enough to eat.
Meat isn't a necessary component of a healthy diet.

Meat is the primary reason humans are at the top of the food chain.
Without meat the human brain would never have evolved the way it did.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 23:42

Peacefulllll · 09/03/2026 19:46

I dont eat any meat.

So what?

Birdsongisangry · 09/03/2026 23:24

Knittedanimal · 09/03/2026 23:18

Tell him to google vegan power lifters.

These people are very much the exception to the rule. It's really unusual to be able to eat a vegan diet and grow/retain strength while powerlifting.
There are many moral/ethical benefits to being vegan, nutritionally it's still a significant compromise. Though the OP eating fish and dairy gives her a lot more leeway.

Knittedanimal · 09/03/2026 23:21

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 18:49

Millions of people don't eat meat because it is too expensive - that doesn't mean they are as healthy as people who do. Nearly 40% of children under the age of 5 in India are stunted due to malnutrition. If these children had red meat several times a week they would be a lot healthier.

I would think that's because they aren't getting enough to eat.
Meat isn't a necessary component of a healthy diet.

Knittedanimal · 09/03/2026 23:18

Tell him to google vegan power lifters.

ScaredOfFlying · 09/03/2026 23:16

ScaredOfFlying · 09/03/2026 22:41

“Fish” is not included in the natural meaning of the word “meat” in English. That is why you often hear references to “meat or fish” on menus and in cookbooks

Nobody says “I’m going to the fishmonger to buy some meat”.

And yes, before anyone jumps up to point this out, I am well aware that some types of fish are described as “meaty”, such as monkfish, but that is because their texture is reminiscent of actual land animal meat.

For example:

To think I am not going to whither away?
springawakeningss · 09/03/2026 23:06

I eat meat maybe once a week, I just don't really like any meat apart from bacon and very occasionally something with beef in it. I eat alot of dairy, nuts and the occasional egg.. I definitely haven't withered away yet 😅

ScaredOfFlying · 09/03/2026 22:41

pinkyredrose · 09/03/2026 17:05

Surely fish is meat, it's animal flesh.

“Fish” is not included in the natural meaning of the word “meat” in English. That is why you often hear references to “meat or fish” on menus and in cookbooks

Nobody says “I’m going to the fishmonger to buy some meat”.

And yes, before anyone jumps up to point this out, I am well aware that some types of fish are described as “meaty”, such as monkfish, but that is because their texture is reminiscent of actual land animal meat.

Peacefulllll · 09/03/2026 19:46

I dont eat any meat.

DownsideUpside · 09/03/2026 19:38

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 19:14

Or eat red meat from cows that live in fields and eat grass all year as most do here.

Veganism is a quasi-religion and like all religions should be taken with a pince of salt.

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What a weird reply. The OP is concerned about meat intake for protein and b12, we know that meat isn’t necessary for those things. I’m not talking about beliefs, religious or otherwise. It’s science.

susiedaisy1912 · 09/03/2026 19:18

DownsideUpside · 09/03/2026 19:12

You don’t need red meat for b12. B12 comes from soil, which most (factory farmed) animals no longer graze on and do not get it naturally. So they inject the cows with b12 supplements. So you can just take the b12 supplement yourself. Meat isn’t needed by most people. There are vegan strongmen and athletes. Plant proteins are great. Baked beans on brown toast contains all 9 amino acids.

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Correct

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 19:14

DownsideUpside · 09/03/2026 19:12

You don’t need red meat for b12. B12 comes from soil, which most (factory farmed) animals no longer graze on and do not get it naturally. So they inject the cows with b12 supplements. So you can just take the b12 supplement yourself. Meat isn’t needed by most people. There are vegan strongmen and athletes. Plant proteins are great. Baked beans on brown toast contains all 9 amino acids.

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Or eat red meat from cows that live in fields and eat grass all year as most do here.

Veganism is a quasi-religion and like all religions should be taken with a pince of salt.

DownsideUpside · 09/03/2026 19:12

You don’t need red meat for b12. B12 comes from soil, which most (factory farmed) animals no longer graze on and do not get it naturally. So they inject the cows with b12 supplements. So you can just take the b12 supplement yourself. Meat isn’t needed by most people. There are vegan strongmen and athletes. Plant proteins are great. Baked beans on brown toast contains all 9 amino acids.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 09/03/2026 18:49

ElenOfTheWays · 08/03/2026 01:02

Of course it is. There are populations whose diet is almost entirely fish based due to location. Somehow they manage to survive. You will too.

Millions of people don't eat meat because it is too expensive - that doesn't mean they are as healthy as people who do. Nearly 40% of children under the age of 5 in India are stunted due to malnutrition. If these children had red meat several times a week they would be a lot healthier.

Swiftie1878 · 09/03/2026 17:18

wavecurlnoidea · 08/03/2026 00:21

Do I eat enough meat though? I thought fish was fine .

It’s worth asking a dietician to assess your protein intake. You may just need a few supplements or something, or you may be perfectly fine!

wavecurlnoidea · 09/03/2026 17:09

As for older ladies, I was amazed how many were doing the peaks in the lake district last year, on their own too. I passed several who were in their 70's+ and moved with as much ease as myself! These weren't fitness freaks, and I doubt they'd turn their noses up at a cream scone, but they were so sprightly and alive.
I often think keeping active is the single best thing we can do, getting older. Not just lifting weights.

I do a lot of activities and never feel tired, so am just going to hope presume I have enough protein.
Breakfast today was greek yog with kefir, nuts, seeds and a pear. Lunch was a mushroom barley risotto with parmesan (small but delicious). Tonight we are having salmon with roast veg and bulgur.
I just made a pile of toasted seeds for the next few days with spices, pine nuts and hazelnuts. Used black/white sesame, coriander, fennel, caraway, cumin. So lovely to sprinkle into meals throughout the week but must keep in an airtight jar.

BIL loves to cook so we often chat about recipes when visiting. He isn't a meat fanatic, but he is obsessed with losing muscle.

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pinkyredrose · 09/03/2026 17:05

ScaredOfFlying · 09/03/2026 14:33

Your diet is fine, but why do you refer to fish as “meat”? Animal protein, yes, but “meat” doesn’t include fish in English.

oh and it’s wither not whither.

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Surely fish is meat, it's animal flesh.

MrFluffyDogIsMyBestFriend · 09/03/2026 14:43

itsthetea · 08/03/2026 08:30

And as for inferior - that was debunked in the 70s - if you get variety it all works out. Add a bit of butter to your beans on toast

There's no protein in butter....

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