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To think I am not going to whither away?

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wavecurlnoidea · 07/03/2026 23:31

Soooo, my BIL tells me today that I am destined to suffer sarcopenia and muscle loss when older because I only eat meat 3 times per week. Even worse, my chosen meat is fish.

i just prefer that, although I do like poultry every now and again. I don’t care about following a diet, it’s how I like to eat. I mix this with lots of whole grains, lentils, beans and dairy. I also like a bit of sugar for treats. I eat tons of veg. But I understand that I need more than that.

His theory is I won’t get enough protein and fish is inferior. And only eating it 3 times a week is encouraging muscle loss.

I am 50 and fairly fit, normal weight and feel ok. Health check recently just fine.

is he or am I the arsehole?

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BooneyBeautiful · 13/03/2026 18:58

Ponoka7 · 13/03/2026 00:26

It isn't, it's processed. The nutritional value is good, especially when mixed with nuts/seeds. It's convenient and tbh, everyone is getting ridiculous over small amounts if processed foods. I'm nearly 60, I'm seeing health as being a matter of luck. The stress some people are putting themselves through regarding food, is going to put them in an early grave. The Human body is exceptionally good at surviving and even thriving on less than perfect food.

Sorry, that should have said the Weetabix Protein is considered to be an ultra processed food, not the original Weetabix. I was eating Weetabix Protein for ages, but I have a very fatty liver , so UPFs are best avoided. Such a shame as I liked it. If you Google it, you can check for yourself. The Weetabix Original is processed, but not ultra processed.

firstofallimadelight · 13/03/2026 18:52

gotmyknickersinatwist · 11/03/2026 20:22

WelshRabBite · 09/03/2026 23:46
In terms of protein, a simple rule of thumb is that you should be having the number you weigh in kg (say 70) in grams of protein per day minimum, up to about double (in this example 140g).
@WelshRabBite
@firstofallimadelight
Where does the 2 grams per kilo come from?

Assuming there is no disease state such as impaired kidney function (AKI/CKD) which would lower protein requirements, or impaired liver or lung function for e.g. (ALD/COPD) which would increase requirements, ~1g/kg is sufficient for most people.
https://www.peng.org.uk/publications-resources/pocket-guide-q-a.php

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Thank you I must have misunderstood I’m fine on protien then!

wavecurlnoidea · 13/03/2026 12:39

Well to clear that one up, BIL is a bit overly concerned with his own health right now and actually means well. I am not offended by his thoughts but am a bit fed up of everyone obsessing over (other peoples) diets these days.

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pinkyredrose · 13/03/2026 10:53

InWithPeaceOutWithStress · 10/03/2026 15:28

Track your meals for a week and calculate your average protein intake. It’s nice that your BIL cares enough to advise you to increase your protein levels as it’s something that could really help a lot of older women in particular.

He 'cares enough' 😂

More likely he just wanted to take the piss out of Op's diet.

Grapewrath · 13/03/2026 00:49

I am mid forties and haven’t eaten meat since I was a child. I dint eat dairy or eggs.
i haven’t withered away and strength train regularly- I have plenty of muscle and more than enough energy
No eating disorder. No bone issues (family history so had a scan). Perfect bloods and b12 levels
Your bil is talking shite.

Ponoka7 · 13/03/2026 00:26

BooneyBeautiful · 13/03/2026 00:00

Out of interest, did you know Weetabix is an ultra processed food? That's something we should all be avoiding. However, the Tesco version isn't a UPF. It's processed, but not ultra processed.

It isn't, it's processed. The nutritional value is good, especially when mixed with nuts/seeds. It's convenient and tbh, everyone is getting ridiculous over small amounts if processed foods. I'm nearly 60, I'm seeing health as being a matter of luck. The stress some people are putting themselves through regarding food, is going to put them in an early grave. The Human body is exceptionally good at surviving and even thriving on less than perfect food.

wavecurlnoidea · 13/03/2026 00:01

Birdsongisangry · 12/03/2026 23:53

Honestly OP, I think the idea that fish isn't 'enough' is a bit of a chauvinistic stereotype that red meat is 'proper' meat and that fish isn't a 'proper' meal/something that dieting women eat.
Nutritionally, fish generally has a great nutritional profile, including for protein. It sounds like you eat a variety too which is ideal.

Interesting! because I just read that other than clams and organ meat, fish contain more B12 than most other meats. I am surprised by how nutritious is actually is.

I have really gone off chicken for various reasons, so that is good to know, for me. So along with my dairy I feel I can make this work.
Iron isn't especially abundant in poultry either, considering.

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BooneyBeautiful · 13/03/2026 00:00

Ponoka7 · 08/03/2026 00:47

Could you have eggs and nuts occasionally? That would be enough with the fish. Plant sources of protein, like the lentils, are fine. I've started getting the protein weetabix and extra protein flat breads etc. I've also been doing the likes of this recipe. We should all be having more beans, pulses, lentils etc, for heart health.
www.eatingwell.com/spinach-white-bean-egg-bake-with-feta-11898404

Out of interest, did you know Weetabix is an ultra processed food? That's something we should all be avoiding. However, the Tesco version isn't a UPF. It's processed, but not ultra processed.

Birdsongisangry · 12/03/2026 23:53

Honestly OP, I think the idea that fish isn't 'enough' is a bit of a chauvinistic stereotype that red meat is 'proper' meat and that fish isn't a 'proper' meal/something that dieting women eat.
Nutritionally, fish generally has a great nutritional profile, including for protein. It sounds like you eat a variety too which is ideal.

wavecurlnoidea · 12/03/2026 23:21

Thanks for a lot of diverse info everyone! I shall try to work through it.

I must explain that my BIL was referring to me not eating RED meat specifically, which i wasn't clear about, so my apologies for that.

He basically thinks that eating fish is inferior and not a proper protein source, not to mention iron.

Whilst i absolutely can appreciate taking care to include all of these nutrients in my diet, I have never eaten red meat since childhood anyway, and have not encountered deficiencies or problems in myself or from health tests over the years.

I mostly are chicken and fish for my entire adult life, although now reduce chicken. I appreciate that there are ethical and nutritional issues with many meat sources these days, but I am not wishing to go veggie or vegan.

I will pay more attention to my protein intake as have just gone thru meno.

If anyone has experience with pescatarian eating, I would love some tips or advice! I do eat a good range of dairy and eggs, with cod, salmon, sardines, tuna and mackerel. I hope this is enough.

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Agrumpyknitter · 11/03/2026 23:07

Women start to lose muscle after the age of 30 and menopause can accelerate bone density loss unless you weight train.

I think generally if you don’t have any other health issues you should be fine. I am a late diagnosed coeliac which has meant I have osteopenia at 50 and a 10 percent loss of bone density over the past 5 years (menopause). I can build muscle if I do strength training which I am and I am now on HRT so that should help. I would concentrate more on mobility, being able to get up from the floor without needing to use your hands, balance etc as indicators of future health. Your diet sounds fab btw.

Knittedanimal · 11/03/2026 22:52

GoldenCupsatHarvestTime · 11/03/2026 22:43

Of course not. You can get protein from other sources. Around 0.75g per kg is the minimum required daily. Meat should be limited to <70g daily anyway and fish is recommended twice a week.

Fish and beef offer pretty similar amounts of protein per gram.

Amazingly black beans give 21g protein per 100g compared to 26g/100g for beef.
But beef doesn't have the 8g fibre (0g) the beans have. I eat at least 200g beans every day which is 2/3rds of my recommended protein quota.
Beans are the future!

GoldenCupsatHarvestTime · 11/03/2026 22:43

Of course not. You can get protein from other sources. Around 0.75g per kg is the minimum required daily. Meat should be limited to <70g daily anyway and fish is recommended twice a week.

Fish and beef offer pretty similar amounts of protein per gram.

Birdsongisangry · 11/03/2026 21:36

pinkyredrose · 11/03/2026 21:32

Makes me laugh when meateaters waffle on about the lack of nutrition in veggie or vegan diets.

When do they ever plan thier own meals to make sure all their nutrition needs are met? More likely they just eat what they want.

Lots of people are interested in nutrition, if you look around it's pretty much fashion and has been for the last decade. Though it doesn't take as much work to get a wide variety of nutrients if you eat a wide variety of foods.

pinkyredrose · 11/03/2026 21:32

Makes me laugh when meateaters waffle on about the lack of nutrition in veggie or vegan diets.

When do they ever plan thier own meals to make sure all their nutrition needs are met? More likely they just eat what they want.

Knittedanimal · 11/03/2026 21:12

30 year faddist here 😆

Knittedanimal · 11/03/2026 21:11

But you must think a cat is superior to a cow because, and correct me if I'm wrong, you don't eat cats?
Sorry, am I virtue signalling? Must be my impaired brain function.

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 11/03/2026 21:06

pinkyredrose · 11/03/2026 10:00

Tell us you don't like vegans without telling us you don't like vegans.

I don't like fads.
I don't like religion and veganism is a secular religion.
I don't like virtue-signalling, which is what veganism in the West is mainly about.
I don't like young women's health being at risk from fad diets.
I don't like being lectured by pampered women (primarily but not exclusively) who have a bigger carbon footprint than I do.
I don't like pretence of any kind outside of novels/plays/film - humans got to the top of the food chain thanks to meat.

I don't think people who don't eat meat are superior in any way, shape or form to people who do eat meat, anymore than I think a rabbit is superior to a cat.

Knittedanimal · 11/03/2026 20:58

Theyreeatingthedogs · 11/03/2026 20:55

He's a dumb fuckwit. Ignore him.

This post nails it!

Theyreeatingthedogs · 11/03/2026 20:55

wavecurlnoidea · 07/03/2026 23:31

Soooo, my BIL tells me today that I am destined to suffer sarcopenia and muscle loss when older because I only eat meat 3 times per week. Even worse, my chosen meat is fish.

i just prefer that, although I do like poultry every now and again. I don’t care about following a diet, it’s how I like to eat. I mix this with lots of whole grains, lentils, beans and dairy. I also like a bit of sugar for treats. I eat tons of veg. But I understand that I need more than that.

His theory is I won’t get enough protein and fish is inferior. And only eating it 3 times a week is encouraging muscle loss.

I am 50 and fairly fit, normal weight and feel ok. Health check recently just fine.

is he or am I the arsehole?

He's a dumb fuckwit. Ignore him.

toomanydicksonthedancefloor1 · 11/03/2026 20:35

@moveyourbleedingarseI agree this is what I saw my mum eating as I grew up and am 47. She was on and off diets all of my childhood. When'on' it was half a grapefruit for breakfast, dry ryvita and celery dipped in salt for lunch and salad for an evening meal (meaning iceberg lettuce, a tin of tuna, tomatoes and cucumber). No dairy except skimmed milk, no eggs, no cheese, no nuts or beans or healthy fats, zero fat flavoured yogurts full of sugar, flora spread instead of butter. So it's no wonder she could never effectively lose weight and stick to a proper healthy diet. It would last about 3 weeks at a time in general.

gotmyknickersinatwist · 11/03/2026 20:22

firstofallimadelight · 08/03/2026 07:57

I was eating meat 3x a week,(for environmental reasons) but when I started tracking my diet I discovered my protein was really low , I eat lots of veg, lentils usually with brown rice/pasta or pearl barley/ bulgar, eggs too and nuts. It was coming in around 30 grams of protein a day but for my weight I (apparently) should be having 140g a day!
I started roasting a chicken and using it for sandwiches/salad at lunch time or having a piece of salmon. And I started including organic protein in my porridge. I’m now having 100g of protein a day.

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WelshRabBite · 09/03/2026 23:46
In terms of protein, a simple rule of thumb is that you should be having the number you weigh in kg (say 70) in grams of protein per day minimum, up to about double (in this example 140g).
@WelshRabBite
@firstofallimadelight
Where does the 2 grams per kilo come from?

Assuming there is no disease state such as impaired kidney function (AKI/CKD) which would lower protein requirements, or impaired liver or lung function for e.g. (ALD/COPD) which would increase requirements, ~1g/kg is sufficient for most people.
https://www.peng.org.uk/publications-resources/pocket-guide-q-a.php

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pinkyredrose · 11/03/2026 10:00

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 10/03/2026 00:05

Meat isn't necessary for protein and B12 vitamins provided you have the means and the knowledge to buy the required replacement foods to ensure you do not become deficient in B12 vitamins, iron and long-chain omega-3 fatty acids.

Without knowledge and money it's incredibly difficult to follow a "healthy" vegan diet which is one of the reasons it is predominantly followed by middle-class women in the West. It is however, incredibly easy to be vegan and very unhealthy if you do not have the requisite knowledge and available funds to buy vegan foods that are often quite expensive - nuts in particular cost more per kilo than meat - I know which one I prefer.

Veganism is a quasi-religion in that it shares characteristics with faith, such as a moral framework, strict dietary codes, and its cult-like members are always proselytizing.

Tell us you don't like vegans without telling us you don't like vegans.

Birdsongisangry · 10/03/2026 20:49

@Knittedanimal I appreciate the reasoned response. I think we all have to do what is within our own remit, and what works for us.

As much as I didn't want to admit it, my vegetarian/vegan diet caused issues for me as I got older - being very active and sporty I simply couldn't consume enough calories to sustain a healthy weight or recover from exercise and injury. I also have a family history of skinny-but-frail women that I was worried about. Some people respond well to veggie or vegan diets, some don't. We can all do our bit about sustainability though, and reducing the amount of meat and dairy rather than completely cutting it out is probably more realistic for the majority (unless circumstances force otherwise of course)

TheDaysAreGettingLongerAtLast · 10/03/2026 19:36

wavecurlnoidea · 08/03/2026 00:34

I think I get enough protein, but I was sidetracked by his stuff about muscle loss and amino acids. I have no idea.

Get a DEXA scan to check for osteoporosis and a creatine kinase test for muscle wasting.