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Cat versus human a&e

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catmummy22 · 04/03/2026 21:46

My cat was a bit poorly last night so I took her to the out of hours cat hospital. I called them at 8 pm and within 1 hour, I had booked the appointment, had her checked over and was back home.
My friend’s mother also took a turn for the worse last night. They drive to a&e at the same time as I went with my cat, but had to wait to be seen until 4 am. Suspected heart issue so quite serious.

I paid 350 pounds for my cat to be seen. I have pet insurance. I really wish I could pay £350 to be seen if I needed a&e too. I rather pay that than wait a. Ight to be seen.

My AIBU is in the different health care offered to pets versus humans in this country. As a human you can’t even pay your way to be seen in an emergency. Brits seem to think as long as it’s free, it’s good, but is it time to start thinking about charging in the NHS too? I think so!

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MeatRaffleRita · 08/03/2026 10:26

You can't compare a vet practice to the NHS 😆

YABU

catmummy22 · 08/03/2026 10:21

IamnotSethRogan · 08/03/2026 10:00

So you think people should be seen quicker based on their ability to pay, as opposed to the seriousness of their medical condition?

This is not what I have said exactly, but it’s time to demand more from the NHS than it being free. It’s not working and UK feels like a third world country these days.

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catmummy22 · 08/03/2026 10:19

Lmnop22 · 08/03/2026 09:47

Nobody said that. But some people can’t. What do those that can’t afford £50 do exactly?

You cannot stop the conversation just because a small conversation cannot afford it. What do you think happens on other European countries?

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IamnotSethRogan · 08/03/2026 10:00

catmummy22 · 04/03/2026 21:49

I have insurance. So I only pay £99. I would like the option to pay to not wait 10 hours to be seen.

So you think people should be seen quicker based on their ability to pay, as opposed to the seriousness of their medical condition?

Lmnop22 · 08/03/2026 09:47

catmummy22 · 07/03/2026 11:40

It’s not useless as my point is what people are prepared to pay for. Let’s not pretend the whole of the Uk cannot afford £50 to see a GP.

Nobody said that. But some people can’t. What do those that can’t afford £50 do exactly?

HoppingPavlova · 08/03/2026 01:41

@Didimum

It drains staff and resources from the NHS.
Private providers rely on the same limited pool of doctors, nurses, and specialists trained by the public system. When those professionals move to private work, often for higher pay or better conditions, it reduces staffing capacity in the NHS and can actually worsen waiting times

No, it won’t. You are saying this as you can’t conceptualise how it can work. Again, I have worked in this model for decades in the public A&E space and no one is ‘drained of resources’ due to private either in A&E’s or private hospitals in general.

Where privates exist, consultants/residents often work a proportion in each. The whole point of private is to INCREASE capacity, not to shift it from one system to another.

I’ll try and make it super simple maths. Let’s say a public hospital requires 10 staff, and a private required 5 staff. That’s 15 staff in total. It’s NOT that the public hospital now only has 5 staff left. You are thinking of your current model with staffing dictated by NHS constraints. In our system, it’s usually the same consultants work across both, so say the 15 in total (just for the purpose of the simple illustrative maths example) will work an average of 60% public, 40% private. There is no stealing from one system to another. By doing this initially, and having 15 rather than 10 heads, you can actually increase training spots as well as they can do so across the two systems under the same consultant if that makes sense.

Given the NHS at present, to set this up, yes, the immediate limitation is staff, however you can address this by getting staff from equivalent health systems globally, and then this will gradually increase your local training capacity so you can decrease your import need over time.

Private A&E wouldn’t reduce NHS pressure.
Emergency departments deal mostly with patients who either cannot choose where they go (ambulances, life-threatening emergencies) or cannot afford private fees. A private A&E would therefore mainly treat the small group who can both pay and are stable enough to choose, while the NHS still handles the majority of emergencies.

Some of this is just bulldust, and some just lacks understanding of A&E throughput. Yes, most life-threatening emergencies will always go through public A&E, however this is not the majority of A&E throughput. So, if you do have a life threatening emergency you will be prioritised accordingly in a public A&E irrespective of whether you are homeless living in the street or have millions to spare. The ‘small group who are stable enough to choose’ you refer to is not small. It’s large. That’s where you can really reduce A&E pressure. Yes, won’t reduce for pressure trauma or critical issues, but fractures, gallbladders that have decided now’s the time, acute asthma etc, by removing relevant people in this group to the private system does indeed ease pressure and increase capacity/decrease waiting times for people who don’t have the ability to use the private system. That’s a fact, I’ve lived in for decades and from the public perspective, being incredibly grateful of the private system we do have.

The issue here, is you are looking at the NHS model as it is now (again, am very familiar with it as worked in it for a number of years, in your A&E). Yes, what I’m describing can’t happen tomorrow in your model as it is now, which is all you seem to be conceptualising, but if your model is revised it can work as evidenced by other successful global models based on free universal healthcare but with additional options/mixes. I’m not including the US system obviously as that’s not universal healthcare, it’s not something anyone should want.

Didimum · 07/03/2026 19:29

HoppingPavlova · 07/03/2026 14:47

@Didimum They don’t take pressure off public healthcare, they create a two tier system whereby the rich can more readily have their lives saved

???? They absolutely take the pressure off the public system in areas where they exist, which are major metro and where more A&E’s are clogged. And no idea what you are blathering on about rich people’s lives being saved. No matter how much money you do or don’t have, our public A&E system will ‘save you’ (where possible) if you are in a car accident, equestrian crush, have been stabbed/shot etc. The private A&E system is not set up to ‘save rich people’s lives’, as explained, it is set up to take the pressure off the public hospital system by whipping out appendices, and gall bladders and pinning fractures for people who can pay, thus freeing up more capacity in the public system for those who can’t.

Paying something for healthcare if you CAN afford to do so is not untoward. In fact, our government have a nifty little mechanism whereby if you are over a certain age and earn over a certain limit, it imposes an additional tax on you if you DON’T have private health insurance (which is why nearly half of our population is covered by it). So, essentially, you don’t have to pay for private health but will be paying more for the public system, on top if your already higher tax rate, if you don’t, which is fair. I can tell you from firsthand experience, if the private system was withdrawn tomorrow and the public system had to deal with the extra load, everyone here would be fucked (and that’s the really polite way of putting it) and as an example, those people currently waiting 18 months in the public system for their hip replacement will now be waiting at least 3 years, and how does that help anyone?

I don’t blather. I look at the real, workable facts.

Healthcare is a basic need, not a luxury. When private healthcare exists alongside a public system, access to faster or better treatment depends on ability to pay rather than medical need. That creates a two-tier system where wealth buys priority, which is unjust in a society that claims healthcare should be universal.

It drains staff and resources from the NHS.
Private providers rely on the same limited pool of doctors, nurses, and specialists trained by the public system. When those professionals move to private work, often for higher pay or better conditions, it reduces staffing capacity in the NHS and can actually worsen waiting times.

Private A&E wouldn’t reduce NHS pressure.
Emergency departments deal mostly with patients who either cannot choose where they go (ambulances, life-threatening emergencies) or cannot afford private fees. A private A&E would therefore mainly treat the small group who can both pay and are stable enough to choose, while the NHS still handles the majority of emergencies. In addition, complex cases and complications from private surgery would likely still be transferred to NHS hospitals that have the full specialist infrastructure – just like they are now.

HoppingPavlova · 07/03/2026 14:47

@Didimum They don’t take pressure off public healthcare, they create a two tier system whereby the rich can more readily have their lives saved

???? They absolutely take the pressure off the public system in areas where they exist, which are major metro and where more A&E’s are clogged. And no idea what you are blathering on about rich people’s lives being saved. No matter how much money you do or don’t have, our public A&E system will ‘save you’ (where possible) if you are in a car accident, equestrian crush, have been stabbed/shot etc. The private A&E system is not set up to ‘save rich people’s lives’, as explained, it is set up to take the pressure off the public hospital system by whipping out appendices, and gall bladders and pinning fractures for people who can pay, thus freeing up more capacity in the public system for those who can’t.

Paying something for healthcare if you CAN afford to do so is not untoward. In fact, our government have a nifty little mechanism whereby if you are over a certain age and earn over a certain limit, it imposes an additional tax on you if you DON’T have private health insurance (which is why nearly half of our population is covered by it). So, essentially, you don’t have to pay for private health but will be paying more for the public system, on top if your already higher tax rate, if you don’t, which is fair. I can tell you from firsthand experience, if the private system was withdrawn tomorrow and the public system had to deal with the extra load, everyone here would be fucked (and that’s the really polite way of putting it) and as an example, those people currently waiting 18 months in the public system for their hip replacement will now be waiting at least 3 years, and how does that help anyone?

Didimum · 07/03/2026 13:31

HoppingPavlova · 07/03/2026 11:17

@Didimum Private healthcare will never offer emergency services. It puts far too much pressure on the system and knocks into other health services too much

They can though. It can be set up to work. Not in UK, but I worked A&E for decades (also worked many years over in your NHS and still keep in touch with friends working do understand the issues). My work was public A&E, however we have some private A&E’s as well associated with private hospitals. I’ve had my family treated at these when relevant. They don’t exist outside of major metro areas and are not set up to take major trauma or things such as arterial dissections. They don’t all have the same capabilities either, some are fine for stroke and cardiac events, in fact better than public as no ramping, others can’t handle those. They are all fine for things such as appendicitis, gall bladders, you can get these whipped out if needed often within hours, also a lot of orthopaedic stuff like complicated fractures requiring surgical fix. By using these if you can, you take the pressure off the public A&E system for this stuff.

Where I am, nearly half the population is covered by private insurance. With the private A&E’s as described above, the A&E visit is not covered, that is out of pocket, but if you need to be admitted, including surgical, your private health covers that aspect. Our mix of public/private insurance general works pretty well and it’s a shame people don’t consider such models when thinking about the NHS, it seems to be all NHS as it is (which is not sustainable by the way), or weirdly, the US system (which none would want for very good reason), people can’t stretch themselves to imagine the many other successful models in different countries.

Exactly. They can’t operate like true emergency services. They are selective, specialised and area dependent. They don’t take pressure off public healthcare, they create a two tier system whereby the rich can more readily have their lives saved.

catmummy22 · 07/03/2026 11:40

Lmnop22 · 06/03/2026 15:41

Not having a hair cut or watching Bridgerton, however, won’t potentially kill you…. So what a useless analogy!

It’s not useless as my point is what people are prepared to pay for. Let’s not pretend the whole of the Uk cannot afford £50 to see a GP.

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catmummy22 · 07/03/2026 11:39

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/03/2026 19:53

If you hadn't got insurance, and you now tried to insure your cat with a pre-existing condition, you'd not get that condition covered and insurance would be more expensive.

Thats the situation many people would be in, besides those who plain can't afford any insurance.

No insurance company is covering me, I have far too many preexisting conditions, any cover I'd get would be through the roof and cover next to nothing.

So in your private fee paying insurance based world, instead of everyone waiting 10 hours, some of us just aren't getting treated at all, and will therefore die.

Sounds great yes.

No you are thinking US model. Look to other European countries instead.

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HoppingPavlova · 07/03/2026 11:17

@Didimum Private healthcare will never offer emergency services. It puts far too much pressure on the system and knocks into other health services too much

They can though. It can be set up to work. Not in UK, but I worked A&E for decades (also worked many years over in your NHS and still keep in touch with friends working do understand the issues). My work was public A&E, however we have some private A&E’s as well associated with private hospitals. I’ve had my family treated at these when relevant. They don’t exist outside of major metro areas and are not set up to take major trauma or things such as arterial dissections. They don’t all have the same capabilities either, some are fine for stroke and cardiac events, in fact better than public as no ramping, others can’t handle those. They are all fine for things such as appendicitis, gall bladders, you can get these whipped out if needed often within hours, also a lot of orthopaedic stuff like complicated fractures requiring surgical fix. By using these if you can, you take the pressure off the public A&E system for this stuff.

Where I am, nearly half the population is covered by private insurance. With the private A&E’s as described above, the A&E visit is not covered, that is out of pocket, but if you need to be admitted, including surgical, your private health covers that aspect. Our mix of public/private insurance general works pretty well and it’s a shame people don’t consider such models when thinking about the NHS, it seems to be all NHS as it is (which is not sustainable by the way), or weirdly, the US system (which none would want for very good reason), people can’t stretch themselves to imagine the many other successful models in different countries.

Didimum · 06/03/2026 20:26

XenoBitch · 06/03/2026 20:01

Let them have their own separate hospitals... that is fine. But flashing the cash to push ahead in an NHS one should never happen.

Private healthcare will never offer emergency services. It puts far too much pressure on the system and knocks into other health services too much. This is precisely why NHS hospitals with A&E services are profoundly worse performing than NHS hospitals without.

XenoBitch · 06/03/2026 20:01

Didimum · 06/03/2026 19:53

So quality healthcare becomes just for the rich? No thanks.

Let them have their own separate hospitals... that is fine. But flashing the cash to push ahead in an NHS one should never happen.

Didimum · 06/03/2026 19:53

So quality healthcare becomes just for the rich? No thanks.

WiddlinDiddlin · 06/03/2026 19:53

catmummy22 · 04/03/2026 21:49

I have insurance. So I only pay £99. I would like the option to pay to not wait 10 hours to be seen.

If you hadn't got insurance, and you now tried to insure your cat with a pre-existing condition, you'd not get that condition covered and insurance would be more expensive.

Thats the situation many people would be in, besides those who plain can't afford any insurance.

No insurance company is covering me, I have far too many preexisting conditions, any cover I'd get would be through the roof and cover next to nothing.

So in your private fee paying insurance based world, instead of everyone waiting 10 hours, some of us just aren't getting treated at all, and will therefore die.

Sounds great yes.

SouthernNights59 · 06/03/2026 19:35

catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

Exactly. Maybe we are from the same country?

I'm in NZ

XenoBitch · 06/03/2026 15:45

catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

I mean we all need to pay for our appointments or for insurance. Most people can afford to. Most people pay for hair cuts, Netflix, take aways, expensive trainers, but somehow the NhS must be free.
If you had to pay £50 to visit your GP for a sore throat, most people would just drink some lemsip and ride it out at home too.
When I first moved here I was shocked how often Brits go to their GPs. And for the common cold too.

Some people go to the GP for colds because they have underlying health conditions where catching a cold can be dangerous.
How do you know the reasons why anyone is at the GP? People come in, sign in (either on a screen or at reception), and then wait to be seen.

Not having Netflix (a whole £6pm) and haircuts wont cause someone to become more unwell. Not affording basic healthcare can.

Lmnop22 · 06/03/2026 15:41

catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

I mean we all need to pay for our appointments or for insurance. Most people can afford to. Most people pay for hair cuts, Netflix, take aways, expensive trainers, but somehow the NhS must be free.
If you had to pay £50 to visit your GP for a sore throat, most people would just drink some lemsip and ride it out at home too.
When I first moved here I was shocked how often Brits go to their GPs. And for the common cold too.

Not having a hair cut or watching Bridgerton, however, won’t potentially kill you…. So what a useless analogy!

Lmnop22 · 06/03/2026 15:39

catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

I mean we all need to pay for our appointments or for insurance. Most people can afford to. Most people pay for hair cuts, Netflix, take aways, expensive trainers, but somehow the NhS must be free.
If you had to pay £50 to visit your GP for a sore throat, most people would just drink some lemsip and ride it out at home too.
When I first moved here I was shocked how often Brits go to their GPs. And for the common cold too.

But what about those who can’t afford to? Where’s their access to healthcare - it won’t always be a sore throat and a lemsip, some people will stay home with heart attacks hoping it’s indigestion because they need to feed their kids with the money you’re suggesting they spend on the GP.

I understand why you might think a private ALTERNATIVE would be a consideration so people willing and able to pay could go to a private hospital with an A&E wing but not why you think introducing mandatory charges for access to healthcare would be of any overall benefit to society generally?

catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

SouthernNights59 · 06/03/2026 08:40

I live in a country where we pay to visit a GP. The only people who don't pay anything are children. People on a low income pay less than others, but they still pay.

Somehow the streets are not full of the dead and dying as UK posters seem to think would happen.

Exactly. Maybe we are from the same country?

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catmummy22 · 06/03/2026 08:46

Lmnop22 · 05/03/2026 19:28

But I don’t get what you mean then - do you want to be able to attend NHS hospitals but pay to be seen quickly? Or are you advocating for private A&E’s to be opened up to take pressure off the NHS for those wanting to pay to visit those alternatives?

I mean we all need to pay for our appointments or for insurance. Most people can afford to. Most people pay for hair cuts, Netflix, take aways, expensive trainers, but somehow the NhS must be free.
If you had to pay £50 to visit your GP for a sore throat, most people would just drink some lemsip and ride it out at home too.
When I first moved here I was shocked how often Brits go to their GPs. And for the common cold too.

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SouthernNights59 · 06/03/2026 08:40

Kendodd · 05/03/2026 11:15

One problem I see with charging for seeing a doctor is that the biggest users, by far, would all be exempt from paying anyway so what's the point.

I live in a country where we pay to visit a GP. The only people who don't pay anything are children. People on a low income pay less than others, but they still pay.

Somehow the streets are not full of the dead and dying as UK posters seem to think would happen.

Leeds157 · 05/03/2026 22:19

Is there to be any guardrails against bad service once having paid In this hypothetical situation? As, I very happily paid for my previous cat to have vet treatment which was insufficient and I fear this theory will be harmful to those who will pay for substandard services with all they have and not achieve anything beneficial

Goldmonkey · 05/03/2026 19:43

catmummy22 · 04/03/2026 22:03

I know all about these issues thanks to my DDs job. I wish I didn’t. I was a much bigger fan of the NHS before I add this insight. People die needlessly every day due to lack of good care.

Make your mind up, I thought the issue was people coming in with broken nails?