Cat versus human a&e

It's not going to happen under Labour.
So you'll better hold out for the other lot.
Maybe they can deal with the time wasters and the shirkers which irk you so much.

You know you can pay for healthcare right….

Absolutely. An easy and logical solution.
You'd think.

Why don’t you just go private if you so badly want to pay?

my mum can pay, so she always goes private. So does my uncle and his wife

And they dont want nhs gone

I am not wrong.
You want a paying system.
This will not happen under a Labour government in the UK.
So think again.

Sounds like America

You seem to know what you're talking about, can I ask an opinion?
I once read an opinion that A&E has the triage the wrong way around and that instead of having a nurse on triage they should have the most senior doctor on duty doing it. That way most people only see one staff member, not two. The doctor has the confidence to just send loads of people home with very minimal treatment/advice. They are also better able to identify the most unwell to prioritise them. Theory is this would speed up the queue for everyone and be more efficient use of staff as most people would only see one medic instead of two. I can see some obvious problems with this approach but overall (I'm not a medic) looks sensible to me.
What do you think?

Actually using vets made me believe in free healthcare!!!!

And have you not read the many vet horror stories? I see them everyday online including right here on mumsnet

For example the Animals being put through unnecessary treatments and tests so they can make money of them?

Yes. I have read many studies of healthcare in the UK before 1948, and people didn't seek medical help, but often self medicated with alcohol or bought unregulated medicine.
Women in particular were less likely to get help and support at an early stage. Gynaecological issues were often left untreated.
Anyway, at least no-one was bothering doctors with "trivial matters", eh?

But wealthier people already do get seen quicker.

Hospitals in more affluent areas have better services, nicer premises (Chelsea and Westminster anyone?!) And the parking charges and lack of accessibility are all barriers to less well off patients.

The NHS pays for performance so GPs in more deprived areas with much more complex patients get less and less resources. GPs with really engaged patients who are able to prioritise their health, attend preventative appointments, pay for physio and opticians and dental care themselves get better performance related income.

People who pay for a one off appointment or scan privately and then get slotted into the waiting list higher up in the NHS.

People who can pay for a dentist don't have to attend a and e with their dental accesses.

The system is already de facto tiered. We should be honest about it.

ETA - I am really sorry for your recent loss too

You are being unreasonable to expect to get away with saying you should be able to pay for faster treatment. Some people would rather let their own grandmother die on a trolley in a corridor than have the option to pay privately for better care in this country.

But as far as the vet comparison thing goes... It's a bit of a non starter. For example, there isn't the same high demand for emergency cat care as there is for humans, hence the faster treatment.

Richard Head.... is that you? 😄

This is a little nuanced for me, I agree with you that it is faster getting a vet appointment, however not everyone can afford to pay that kind of money, neither for their pet or for a hypothetical pay to use nhs.

However even when paying, you can’t guarantee the quality of the vet you end up seeing. I spent hundreds (both with my insurance and also when the claim limit ran out) on my previous cat’s vet trips, half of those trips very expensive blood tests and overnight stays resulting in me being told there was nothing wrong with my cat, when in fact he had two different types of cancer. If the nhs charges, there is also no guarantee on quality.

In my country sick people suffer and even die because they “think twice before going“/ wait till it’s too late to go to hospital or doctor or calling ambulance

You're saying you want a paying system. This goes against the principles of the Left and Centre Left.
So it's Conservative and Reform who would love to implement the paying system, which you suggest.

As someone who comes from country with paid health care, my god, god forbid!!!!!!!!! People have no idea

and btw you can always go private

I spent decades in A&E. The copay concept will not fix a thing in A&E. The problem is ramping and backlog due to lack of care beds in the community. The wards are full of people waiting for community beds and services so you can’t shift people out if A&E, which leads to huge backlogs. It’s investment in community care that is required. It will get worse and worse with the ageing population.

As for the out of hours vet A&E service, OP is lucky. Whenever we have had to use ours we are there for several hours - no such thing as making an appointment as it is an A&E that is used in the same way as our A&E, unexpected illness/accident, and animals are triaged on arrival and treated according to urgency. We have sat there for 8 odd hours on occasion, and felt lucky about it as our pet is obviously not as bad as others, who have been hit by a car, mauled on an evening walk etc. In fact, it’s a bit more problematic than human A&E in that the vets are also the surgeons, so while they try and have 2-3 on to keep consultations rolling while others are in surgery, sometimes it seems all hands on deck with surgery and everyone else waits. As for the money, last visit was pretty normal in that it was 450 pound equivalent (I am in Aus), and while we have pet insurance, they don’t want to fuck around with that in A&E so make you pay up front, no gap only payment as is usual for vets in business hours, and then you get the joy of making the claim with insurer after. So, if you transfer that to a human A&E situation, it’s just not viable.

So people in your country "always think twice", but people in the UK routinely go for trivial matters?
Something of a sweeping generalisation.

Because they are the parties least likely to invest in the NHS, thus creating a paying system. Were you unaware of this?