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Yet another absent father blaming 'the system'

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ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 17:01

I'm tired of hearing it. That poor child. It's heartbreaking.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v079zpmvmo

Yes, the dad was working away, but he knew perfectly well things weren't right with his estranged ex-partner, and I struggle to believe he couldn't have done more in this situation. As if a woman would be working away in those circumstances.

AIBU to be sick of hearing this sort of stuff from men, who are held to such low standards in parenthood? The other classic examples I can think of is when a child dies in the custody of its mother (and sometimes a stepdad) and the biodad is looking sad all over the news while when you dig deeper, you realise most of the time he wasn't doing what he should have done as a dad.

A man wearing a black North face jacket stands next to a teenager with grey trousers looking out to sea on a grey day.

My son lived in squalor with his dying mother - the system failed him

Leo came to Scotland for a better life but ended up living in squalor in a house surrounded by empty bottles and takeaway containers.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c9v079zpmvmo

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Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:16

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:13

Yes but there is no magic rule that means you have to stay in indefinitely. There is a 12 month notice period. He DID have a choice to leave. He made a choice to stay.

Well yes...then if that's the case that could be criticised.

However, I feel much more comfortable with fully anonymised discussions than picking apart someone in the news. It reminds me of threads where pps dissected the McCann's decision to leave Madeleine. I personally thought that was naive in the context of the times but unfair to dissect it in the context of the tragedy. General discussions of issues are different imo to ones about specific people who are only in the news due to tragedy.

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:16

ValidPistachio · 04/03/2026 18:14

He could have destroyed his career in an instant had he done that.

What on earth are you talking about? People do leave the military, you know. Sometimes parents have to prioritise their kids over their 'careers', and if that meant having to get a job that wasn't ideal but was much closer to home... that option was there for him.

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TheMorgenmuffel · 04/03/2026 18:15

It's both.
The system failed his son and he very much failed his son.

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:15

goz · 04/03/2026 18:13

No one knows, and yet based on literally nothing you’ve decided he was abusive? Odd.

Courts don't give alcoholics, or ex alcoholics custody if there is a better option. Pretty good reason to be suspicious of St Dad.

HowardTJMoon · 04/03/2026 18:15

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:10

There's a reason he wasn't granted custody. Military men are known for being controlling and abusive. No one on this thread knows what their situation was and why she moved but it sounds typically abusive to me.

Edited

Now there's a classic mumsnet post - "I don't know the situation so I'm going to assume the man was abusive."

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:14

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:13

Yes but there is no magic rule that means you have to stay in indefinitely. There is a 12 month notice period. He DID have a choice to leave. He made a choice to stay.

Presumably he has had to leave now he has to look after his son?
I suspect the son is terrified of him and that is why his "nerves are shot".

ValidPistachio · 04/03/2026 18:14

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:11

For clarity, yes of course the boy's mother was awful. Truly, I could write you an essay on DSD's deceased mother who was an alcoholic.

But really I think this man could have done more. He could have left his job and found another job because that's what parents have to do sometimes. Tough choices. He chose to prioritise his career.

I also noted the lack of mention of a court case / custody. A very notable absence there.

And I wonder why he didn't just let the mum call the police when she threatened to. I would, if I was that worried about my child inside the house with my ex. In fact, I'd be saying 'go on then, please do'.

As for people suggesting I am unfairly blaming him more than the mother and local services - I do agree there were other failures. But he's chosen to take part in this news article, presenting it as though this situation is entirely down to the failings of others. I think he can join the list of people who failed his son.

He could have destroyed his career in an instant had he done that.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:13

Isekaied · 04/03/2026 18:11

The same reason I wouldn't class someone as a good mother if she let her Ex husband take the kids abroad and decided to stay in her current country with her new partner.

Doesn't the army job complicate things, ie you can't just leave?

goz · 04/03/2026 18:13

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:10

There's a reason he wasn't granted custody. Military men are known for being controlling and abusive. No one on this thread knows what their situation was and why she moved but it sounds typically abusive to me.

Edited

No one knows, and yet based on literally nothing you’ve decided he was abusive? Odd.

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:13

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:06

Exactly, this ignores the specific issue that he was in the forces.

Yes but there is no magic rule that means you have to stay in indefinitely. There is a 12 month notice period. He DID have a choice to leave. He made a choice to stay.

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Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:12

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:10

There's a reason he wasn't granted custody. Military men are known for being controlling and abusive. No one on this thread knows what their situation was and why she moved but it sounds typically abusive to me.

Edited

I agree abuse is higher in the military but you can't brand all military men as abusive. He was a medic not a soldier anyway.
He may not have got custody for some other reason. It doesn't necessarily mean abuse.

Isekaied · 04/03/2026 18:11

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:09

Why?

The same reason I wouldn't class someone as a good mother if she let her Ex husband take the kids abroad and decided to stay in her current country with her new partner.

ScarlettSarah · 04/03/2026 18:11

For clarity, yes of course the boy's mother was awful. Truly, I could write you an essay on DSD's deceased mother who was an alcoholic.

But really I think this man could have done more. He could have left his job and found another job because that's what parents have to do sometimes. Tough choices. He chose to prioritise his career.

I also noted the lack of mention of a court case / custody. A very notable absence there.

And I wonder why he didn't just let the mum call the police when she threatened to. I would, if I was that worried about my child inside the house with my ex. In fact, I'd be saying 'go on then, please do'.

As for people suggesting I am unfairly blaming him more than the mother and local services - I do agree there were other failures. But he's chosen to take part in this news article, presenting it as though this situation is entirely down to the failings of others. I think he can join the list of people who failed his son.

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whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:10

goz · 04/03/2026 18:06

lol. Even when a mother is this awful it has to be a man’s fault?
Some women are just shitty people, the same as some men are.

There's a reason he wasn't granted custody. Military men are known for being controlling and abusive. No one on this thread knows what their situation was and why she moved but it sounds typically abusive to me.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:09

Isekaied · 04/03/2026 18:08

I wouldn't class him as a good father.

Would you have let him move abroad taking the kids with him while you stay in your current country?

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Why?

ValidPistachio · 04/03/2026 18:09

Isekaied · 04/03/2026 18:08

I wouldn't class him as a good father.

Would you have let him move abroad taking the kids with him while you stay in your current country?

Edited

I wouldn’t class you as a good judge of what makes someone a good father.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:08

Urgentbiscuitrequired · 04/03/2026 17:26

I think your post is massively insensitive. You can't possibly know everything about his circumstances from a news article.

Enjoy your rage.

Yes, it's not fair on the father. I would happily criticise an actual neglectful father but not this.

Isekaied · 04/03/2026 18:08

Mapletree1985 · 04/03/2026 18:03

When my ex and I separated, I took our children and returned to my country of birth, while he remained in his country of employment, with his new partner. He wasn't a citizen of my country and would have torpedoed his career, and my children's financial stability, if he had followed us. I could have stayed in the country where he was working, as I also had a job there. I chose to return to my family, and he didn't stand in my way. Should he be put on some kind of 'neglectful parent register' for that?

You can't police people's personal choices that closely.

I wouldn't class him as a good father.

Would you have let him move abroad taking the kids with him while you stay in your current country?

JayJayEl · 04/03/2026 18:07

igelkott2026 · 04/03/2026 17:09

That has reminded me that I saw something yesterday about people going on some sort of register like the sex offenders' register if they neglect their child.

Does that mean if the mother neglects her child (eg going clubbing and leaving her baby in a cot at home) that the absent father will go on the register too?

You'd hope so!
Do you have any link so that I can read about this, please? My son and his siblings were subjected to horrific neglect and abuse (he's adopted) and to this day I can't wrap my head around the fact that there were no legal repercussions for his birth parents. Instead they're just allowed to continuously repeat the cycle of pregnancy, abuse, birth, removal of child. It's heartbreaking.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:07

Zanatdy · 04/03/2026 18:05

yes he could have done more. If my ex partner had moved away with my kids then i’d have relocated to have equal custody, not gone to work overseas. My ex also went to work overseas when we split. I had a very serious health issue, and no-one local to take the kids had I needed to go to A&E. It was tough doing it all alone. He didn’t need to work overseas. It was a choice. I also had dreams, but have had to wait until they are 18, which is soon. My ex continued with his career plans regardless, then blamed me that they hadn’t gone overseas too as I wouldn’t let them (no, funnily enough, I didn’t want my kids going overseas for a nanny to care for them whilst he worked long hours).

If you're in the forces the situation is different though.

goz · 04/03/2026 18:06

whoTFismadelaine · 04/03/2026 18:00

When I read this I read abusive ex that she was trying to get away from who kept ringing social services and his son's school to harass her through authority figures until she started drinking again.

lol. Even when a mother is this awful it has to be a man’s fault?
Some women are just shitty people, the same as some men are.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:06

KimuraTan · 04/03/2026 17:22

A medic in the army - are you classifying all Forces parents as absent just because they split from the other parent and may get deployed abroad?

I‘d condemn any absent and neglectful fathers but I am not convinced in this case.

Edited

Exactly, this ignores the specific issue that he was in the forces.

Zanatdy · 04/03/2026 18:05

yes he could have done more. If my ex partner had moved away with my kids then i’d have relocated to have equal custody, not gone to work overseas. My ex also went to work overseas when we split. I had a very serious health issue, and no-one local to take the kids had I needed to go to A&E. It was tough doing it all alone. He didn’t need to work overseas. It was a choice. I also had dreams, but have had to wait until they are 18, which is soon. My ex continued with his career plans regardless, then blamed me that they hadn’t gone overseas too as I wouldn’t let them (no, funnily enough, I didn’t want my kids going overseas for a nanny to care for them whilst he worked long hours).

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:04

Mapletree1985 · 04/03/2026 18:03

When my ex and I separated, I took our children and returned to my country of birth, while he remained in his country of employment, with his new partner. He wasn't a citizen of my country and would have torpedoed his career, and my children's financial stability, if he had followed us. I could have stayed in the country where he was working, as I also had a job there. I chose to return to my family, and he didn't stand in my way. Should he be put on some kind of 'neglectful parent register' for that?

You can't police people's personal choices that closely.

Great post.

Carla786 · 04/03/2026 18:04

Redflagsabounded · 04/03/2026 17:20

Did noone read the article? He was in the army. You work where you are sent and you can't just leave because it's no longer convenient.

Exactly - it was not the ideal job to have bit he couldn't just leave.

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