Mass grave prepared for the school girl massacre, 165 souls

Hamas, Pakistan, Hezbollah etc ALL use human shields. Their bases are specifically built next to hospitals and schools. It’s a well known strategy. They know leftist, virtue signallers will lap it up. And they do!

Their deaths are a tragedy. But the Islamic regime is 100% culpable. They’re murdering women for not covering their faces ffs! In the thousands!

What military bases are there in Jerusalem?

Exactly, lack of consensus. And a lot of the countries "agreeing" have pretty poor human rights records themselves, many actually genocidal but denying it (Turkey, Indonesia and Pakistan to begin with).

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Ahhh, so you see Israel is not "disgusting evil". It's a country, like other countries, made up of fallible human beings. Do I support what was done in Gaza? No, I don't. I think there was a lot of revenge motivating the actions even though I also don't know of any miltiary that has managed to fight a para military force embedded within a civlian population and for whom the civilians are expendable without severely imapcting that population. But, yes, preventing food from entering to put pressure on Hamas was totally wrong. And a lot of the actions were disproportionate to the miltiary gains (in my opinion). So you see, i don't just scream that Israel is evil or that Israel is entirely justified and can do no wrong.

And, no, Israel is not "just as bad" as Hamas. Hamas not only has gencodial intent to israelis, it also butchers and oppresses its own people and sees them as entirely expendable for the greater good. Just because more people die on one side than the other doesn't make them better or correct. Imagine if Hamas had actually spent money on, I dunno, building bomb shelters for its population before attacking Israel? Fewer Israelis die, not because of lack of trying from Hamas, Hezbollah and Iran, but because Israel actually invests in protecting its citizens. Iran is firing ballistic misiiles and cluster munitions into civilian areas of Israel - its intent is mass murder, that much is clear.

They could be true but there certainly isn't consensus in the world that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza. The UK government has said it's not genocide.

Indeed. There are LOADS of women in Israel who fled the Islamic revolution in 1979.

Seriously. No one called 7/10 "an incident". Even in the apparent "evidence" from Wikipedia, the many incidents that made up the invasion and massacres of 7/10 are listed individually.

I bet you've been unsuccessfully searching for soem media outlet that somewhere described 7/10 (or 9/11) as an "incident"

212 field hospital barracks is located in a residential area close to multiple schools, 216 and 219 transport squadrons also in residential areas.

An Iranian regime that has happily killed many Iranian girls for not wearing the "right" coverings or daring to speak against the tyrants - hard to stomach any hand wringing from them on this. And their claims that US or Israel are to blame are deeply suspicious.

Exactly. And I doubt either side really have any inclination to stop unless they have to.

Whataboutery.
Iranian regime is vile.
Israel committed genocide in Gaza.
Hamas are terrorists.
All can be true at the same time.

So many unsophisticated posters on mumsnet, can't understand that the Middle East isn't black and white.

Israel have always responded with twice the ferocity. Hamas would've known the outcome of their actions. They didn't care because religious extremists generally don't. Probs just thinking of the 72 virgins they'll get in the afterlife.

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Blimey
on that subject

I can’t open the document by the NYtimes ( behind a paywall)
but this is a basic rundown of its contents from Google

‘ Deeply flawed intelligence and outdated targeting information have led to significant civilian casualties in U.S. bombing campaigns, contradicting the narrative of precise, all-seeing drone warfare
. Confidential Pentagon records show that rushed,, imprecise targeting has resulted in thousands of civilian deaths, including children, with minimal accountability.
The New York Times
Key Findings on US Bombing Intelligence

• Outdated Information: Recent analysis suggests airstrikes, such as one in Iran, may have hit civilian infrastructure (e.g., schools) due to the use of outdated targeting data.
• Systemic Failures: Assessments revealed patterns of failure, where despite having a codified system, the Pentagon often ignored or failed to learn from mistakes.
• Lack of Accountability:Investigations into these incidents rarely resulted in findings of wrongdoing, discipline, or compensation for survivors.
• The New York Times +1

Hidden Pentagon Records Reveal Patterns of Failure in Deadly Airstrikes
18 Dec 2021 — The trove of documents — the military's own confidential assessments of more than 1,300 reports of civilian casualties, obtained by The New York Times — lays ba...

The New York Times’

Mistakes through poor intelligence
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If it was a US bomb it would've almost certainly have been a mistake. A lot of the Iranian public want the current regime overthrown. And a regime like the Iranian government really aren't the sort of people you want to have nuclear armaments.

Indeed

Imagine being so dense as to believe the word of a Jew hating murderous terrorist organisation known for strangling babies and raping women - and being in their side

Or Jewish lives

If sick of seeing, whenever anyone wants to talk about the Hamas atrocities, people say “But but what about Israel”

Well given that Israel is extremely liberal and multicultural, has pretty good laws on naturalisation and has equal rights for women, I’d say it’s a good bet. Especially for Jewish Persians who desperately want to break out of the Islamic regime and have no identity with Iran

How many lives has the Irainian regime killed since 1979?

Or Persian lives don't seem to matter as they don't look like ..........

So...the Americans haven't learned - it's the same as happened when Serbia was bombed: they used outdated information. For example, the Admiralty building that they hit in Šabac dated from the time of the Austro-Hungarian Empire.

It does
lets hope they are now using information that isn’t 10years old

and let’s hope the families get an answer very soon

Actually they really do look like westerners. You'd struggle to tell apart an Israeli Jew and a Palestinian Arab for a start. Add in Greeks, Spaniards, Italians- all look the same more or ladders.
I have a Syrian friend with blond hair and blue eyes

Thank you for sharing the updated detailed information. "The images show "very precise targeting" Lewis told NPR. "Almost all the buildings [in the compound] are hit." It looks like precise targeting (which they do to avoid civilian casualties) but outdated information with a school 100 yards from a military base. Tragic. The Americans are looking into it, but from the information it looks like they may have hit it.

.Satellite images show Iran school strike hit more buildings than earlier reported
MARCH 4, 202612:50 PM ET
HEARD ON ALL THINGS CONSIDERED
By
Geoff Brumfiel
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Alyson Hurt

The bombing of an Iranian elementary school that killed some 165 people, many of them schoolgirls, included more targets near the school than has been initially reported, a review of commercial satellite imagery by NPR has found.

The images suggest that the school was hit on Saturday as part of a precision airstrike on a neighboring Iranian military complex — and that it may have been struck as a result of outdated targeting information.

The new images come from the company Planet and are of the city of Minab, located in southeastern Iran. They show that a health clinic and other buildings near the school were also struck. Three independent experts confirmed NPR's analysis of the additional strike points.

The strike points "look like pretty clean detonation centroids," said Corey Scher, a postdoctoral researcher at the Conflict Ecology Laboratory at Oregon State University.
"These certainly appear like detonation sites," agreed Scher's colleague, Oregon State associate professor Jamon Van Den Hoek.
Jeffrey Lewis, a professor at Middlebury College who specializes in satellite imagery, said the imagery was consistent with a precision airstrike.

The images show "very precise targeting" Lewis told NPR. "Almost all the buildings [in the compound] are hit."

A satellite image of an Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corp compound taken on March 4, five days after an airstrike destroyed a school on the edge of the compound. The image reveals that half-a-dozen other buildings in addition to the school were struck.
Planet Labs PBC

Iranian state media said 165 people died in the bombing, which struck a girls' school. The school was located within less than 100 yards of the perimeter of an Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps Naval base, according to satellite images and publicly available information. The clinic was also located within the base perimeter, although both facilities had been walled off from the base.

Israel has denied involvement. "We are not aware at the moment of any IDF operation in that area," Israel Defense Forces spokesperson Nadav Shoshani told NPR on Monday. "I don't know who's responsible for the bombing."

At a press conference Wednesday morning, Secretary of Defense Pete Hegseth said that the U.S. was looking into what happened at the school. ""All I know, all I can say, is that we're investigating that," Hegseth said. "We, of course, never target civilian targets."

Given Minab's location in the southeastern part of the country,
Lewis believes it's more likely the U.S. would have conducted the strike than Israel. As one gets further south and east in Iran, "a strike is much more likely to be a U.S. strike than an Israeli strike because of the type of munitions and the geographic location," he said
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Lewis said it's more likely that the strike was the result of an error. Satellite images show that the school was separated from the base by a wall between 2013 and 2016. The clinic was walled off between 2022 and 2023.

Lewis believes it's possible American military planners had not updated their target sets.
"There are thousands of targets across Iran, and so there will be teams in the United States and Israel that are responsible for tracking those targets and updating them," he said. "It's possible that the target didn't get updated."
The Pentagon did not immediately respond to NPR's request for additional information about the strike.’

No update from the US yet but
surely they know if they were bombing in that area .