Mass grave prepared for the school girl massacre, 165 souls

Firstly, the approximately 70,000 killed weren't all citizens as the numbers don't differentiate between civilians and Hamas militants.

Secondly, the Iranian regime is somewhat unique in killing their own people to the estimate of about 30,000 in a few days.

I suppose you could tell that to the 70,000 plus civilians in Gaza who have been killed by Israeli bombing, or to be more accurate their relatives, to see whether they think that those people were not deliberately killed by Israel. I mean to say, that is a lot of accidents.

I think they have a preferable not to be attacked by their own government in peace time, yes.

I know I would - and don't forget forget many Iranians are in favour of the war. Not in favour of getting killed of course.

you think Iranians have a preference as to how they are murdered?!

Do you think so? I would find it worse to be attacked by my own country than caught up in in a war.

Oh well if they aren't aiming to kill them that makes a big difference. I mean there are two categories of dead aren't there.

It probably feels about the same at the sharp end TBF.

Yes ... but other countries aren't killing them just for disagreeing with them, as their own regime are.

Iranian people getting killed in the war are victims I agree but it's a bit different as the US/Israel at least aren't aiming to kill Iranian civilians.

Yes, it seems like ‘pass the parcel’ till everything is over with:
"The Department of War would be investigating that if that was our strike, and I would refer your question to them," Rubio said.

There are alot of Iranian victims of both the regime and US/Israel.

Bringing the thread back on track

Thanks for this update

Clearly Rubio wants to stop the questions on who killed all those children and bombed a school

Telling journalists to ask the Department of War ??! When do they ever do a press conference

Interesting it’s called an
‘incident ’
and the attack was
’alleged’

It’s proven not alleged and it caused a huge loss of life so hardly a mere incident

You clearly have a very active imagination @Twiglets1. Perhaps you can point out where I have said that I support the actions of the current Iranian regime or where I have said that they were justified in attacking protestors? Perhaps stop making things up and then being completely unable to support your allegations. We have been here before, remember.

To be clear, again, I strongly disaprove of the double standards in the way the media in the West and some of the population dismiss the killing of these poor Iraqi girls, even to the extent that some immediately believe media reports that it was caused by the Iranians themselves. As I said, there may be a mixture of motives, such as racism, hypocricy and others, none of which are complimentary.

Yes of course I "admit" (strange word) that economic hardship was a factor in the uprising by some Iranians. Just not the only reason they were protesting and your post did not mention their many other grievances against the regime.

The US had very good reasons to use economic sanctions against Iran. Countries use sanctions as an alternative to war. You like that solution even less so I guess you would prefer that atrocious regime to stay as it is or get richer with no sanctions.

I'm not trying to make it a simple story, you are. The Iranian regime are not victims who are vulnerable to the nasty US. They are aggressors towards their own citizens and other countries in the Middle East too. They killed over 150 children when attacking the protestors - the hypocrisy of people ignoring that is chilling.

Really hope some people start to take some time to sit and examine why the venn diagram between believing much of the US/Israeli since-disproved propaganda without need for further investigation, and the breakneck speed with which they’ll jump to ‘they hid weapons factories/army bases under schools/hospitals every single time Muslims are involved” is a fucking circle.

So you admit that economic hardship was indeed a factor in the uprising by some Iranians. As I have explained, the economic hardship was caused, at least to some extent, by the actions of the US. Bessant has literally said publicly that one of adminstration's aims was to squeeze Iran's economy. Obviously, every understands that some Iranians hated living under the (still current) regime. Of course, other Iranians support the regime and another group were not happy but would far rather have the current regime than a US imposed leader. Don't try to make the situation, involving 90 million+ Iranians into a simple story when it isn't.

Even if every single one of 100 million Iranians hated the regime, it is not a good enough reason for the US to flout international law, as they have so many times previously, and attack a sovereign country which presents no threat to themselves. Have you heard Rubio's explanation for this? It was a total mess. Even if it were acceptable to do this, what happens next? That's the most vital question which most of those cheering about the fact that Israel and the US have just launched a terrible war seem to be missing.

But going back to the pp's and my actual point, the hypocricy and double standards in how the Western MSM and many Westerners, including on here, have treated the killing of these school girls, because they were Iranian, rather than from a favoured country, is chilling.

Sure @rainingsnoring the protesters weren’t protesting about their authoritarian regime … it was all about the economy.

Funnily enough that’s the line given by the Iranian regime themselves & their state media. But the words of the protesters - those still alive - say differently.

Economic hardship was one factor in the uprising. But I’m equally surprised you don’t understand that many Iranians are utterly sick of being ruled by religious extremists and want regime change. They were begging the US to intervene and now they have. Did Iran prosper under that regime? No it did not & human rights abuses flourished. Even most of their military aircraft’s etc they inherited from the time of the Shah decades ago and haven’t bothered updating because all their money was diverted to support proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah in other countries. They are not fit to run a run Iran & brave protesters died for saying so.

Iranians in Iran & around the world celebrated when the US/Israel attacked Iran and killed their figureheads. Why not listen to what Iranians are actually saying instead of pretending they are only “whipped up” by the US. Not everything is the fault of the West you know. The regime could have made a success of running Iran but they didn’t- that is on them not the US.

Hypocricy? Intellectual and moral dishonesty? Blatant racism?
Mostly all three.

Err, that's a completely different scenario isn't it. I'm surprise you don't understand that. The killing of protestors by the regime was widely covered by the Western media in an attempt to whip up a storm and justify the US/Israeli in starting the war! By the way, the protests had already been whipped up by interference by the US in causing a financial crash and the CIA being involved as well. This on top of the economic hardship imposed by decades of sanctions.

As @FloralDeerPattern says, that outrage if Iran had murdered 160 US school girls or British school girls would be completely and utterly different and the acceptance of figures of 30,000 from Western media by those who deny that many hundreds of thousands have been murdered by the IDF in Gaza is total and utter double standards. Let's not be disingenuous about this.

This is an interesting read . Thanks for posting.

I can only say what I see. I certainly see threads here where the word genocide is being readily used to describe what happened in Iran and not a single one of the regular 'it isn't a genocide' posters who are present and actively posting on those threads have corrected or questioned it. Nor have any of those posters questioned when the figure of 35000 is readily being used. It begs the question why?

Why is it so important that when Muslim killings are perpetrated by the West that all of the checks and balances, investigations and court cases have to happen before people can even start to condemn them but people will quickly jump to supporting war when it is Muslim countries without any of the above at all?

You know exactly what I mean.
If not, read up on the racism Ahed Tamimi has faced due to her appearance.

I haven't called it genocide, I know that genocide is a specific term that does not just mean a big number of people got killed. Genocide isn't even about a specific number, it's largely about intent.

I also disagree that the figure of over 30000 protesters killed by an Islamic regimes has been readily accepted by many of the same people who spent two years denying the numbers of dead coming out of Gaza, they needed proof...

People who want proof of numbers from a reputable source (like me) have equally not accepted a definite number who were killed in Iran - because we just don't know yet.

I have quoted various sources as giving their estimate of what they think the numbers are, but such quotes always say we don't know exactly due to the internet blackout etc.

In a report presented on Wednesday, January 21, to the Iranian parliament’s National Security and Foreign Policy Committee seen by Iran International, the number of those killed was listed as at least 27,500.
According to sources within Iran’s Interior Ministry who spoke to Iran International on condition of anonymity, a consolidation of figures received from provincial security councils by Tuesday, January 20, showed the death toll had exceeded 30,000.
Two informed sources from the Supreme National Security Council also told Iran International that in two recent reports by the IRGC Intelligence Organization, dated January 22 and January 24, the number of those killed was listed as more than 33,000 and more than 36,500 respectively.
Despite the confusion and concealment, the rapid increase in death toll figures in classified government reports has heightened concerns that the actual number of those killed may be even higher.

https://www.iranintl.com/en/202601255198

The protesters were killed by an Islamic regime not a Western one so it really doesn't disprove my theory of Western superiority. When Western powers or countries that try to align themselves with the West kill children it's different. It's clear to see.

People are defending this war on the basis of these protest killings, they are calling it 'genocide'(and no one is questioning the use of genocide there), there has been no investigations, we don't even know how many people were killed. Ask any questions though and you are accused of supporting the Iranian regime. When the West kills over 100 little school girls its all we must wait and see, let's not jump to conclusions, they probably did it themselves.

Look at the way that the figure of over 30000 protesters killed by an Islamic regimes has been readily accepted by many of the same people who spent two years denying the numbers of dead coming out of Gaza, they needed proof, let's wait and see what investigations say, the difference being it was a country who aligns themselves with the West who killed the 10s of 1000s of people in Gaza.

There is one rule for Western countries and another for, let's face it, Muslim countries.