Media pushing Starmer to war

The Brits have over 100,000 registered with the FO in the gulf states. They don’t, as yet, all need or want to come back here. Neither do all Americans. We don’t really know what the gulf states will do yet. So we don’t have huge evacuation plans.

I think this will not happen. UK is sending assets to defend Cyprus. Even Spain has offered help to defend Cyprus! And they are in Trump's naughty red list because they expressed their wish not to have their bases used for US offensive attacks. There may be some hits that get through, but I think Cyprus will be well defended.

Cyprus : you’ll find that war comes to you. Then our lack of response. The sad fact is we have very little left to go to war with.

He doesn't need any pushing.
This is the most inept time in politics. Let labour, tories and reform mugs go and fight. Leave the rest of us out of it. Democracy wasn't meant to be controlled by these sickos.

They all choose to turn a blind eye to the not so savoury parts of the regime.

I hope she is safe and well.

Sorry, i should make it clear that when i refer to ‘those posters’ i do not mean cody

It’s ’weapons of mass destruction’ all over again. Israel and the US decided on ‘regime’ change and we’re just supposed to go along with this illegal war? This would not benefit the UK in any way, and we have no business joining in. White the US and Israel ignoring international law, ignoring and scorning the UN, and making enemies left right and centre on the way - where will this end?

My friends child is a young teacher, just had enough of being hit in in the uk schools they worked in

thought they'd have a bit of nice weather and a position where teaching is respected before they came home again

a lot of those posters don’t make any distinction whatsoever between this teacher and the rich and famous….

The Daily Mail has an article today about signs of the apocalypse - it’s clearly aiming itself at the lucrative American evangelical market

I do agree. But I also think "if you don't pay, you don't get a say"

My personal issue with a load of these people - Rio Ferdinand and Jim Ratcliffe, I'm specifically looking at you - is that they openly say "the UK is shit, I'm not paying any tax there", yet no recognition that the fact that they've refused to pay taxes is exactly part of the reason why things have fallen apart. And before anyone comes at me, I've said PART of the reason, not the entire reason. It's incredibly nuanced

I also have conflicting feelings about younger influencers who move to Dubai, specifically to avoid paying tax, yet they are buying up UK property and becoming landlords, removing houses from UK homeowners. And they will almost certainly come back here in a few years, probably when they are ready to potentially have a family and expect the NHS to pay for their midwifery care, etc., despite deliberately never actually paying into the pot.

I absolutely think that they should be supported to get a safe exit back to the UK, that's a non-negotiable. But I do understand why people are pissed off.

It really burns MN that some people live in countries where the funding model is different to our own. Politics of envy.

”If I have to pay tax so do you!!”

Citizenship should come with some protections - including your government assisting you when in trouble overseas.

There is a thread on here saying the same thing…well a few threads

the main issue for a lot of those posters is the tax free living in dubai 😳

I've just seen this in the wild as well

I follow People Magazine on FB and they've posted about a travel blogger trapped in Kuwait saying that the US government are refusing to help any one evacuate. All of the comments below, are literally saying (and I quote this verbatim) "tensions have been going on for years so why was she there? why should our government help people who have put themselves in danger?"

Fucking hell.

They have such a childlike approach to the world. Why should we join America’s war? Especially against a country like Iran which does not match the USA’s military capability. Especially not when Israel has joined them in the fight.

Are those news editors volunteering themselves? Their sons and daughters?

War isn’t a party. It means devastation of infrastructure and appalling loss of human life. It should only be entered into when absolutely necessary.

Oh that cohort definitely exists. There's even non-American versions of them. Absolutely bizarre.

I suspect this is a common position.

Honestly I don’t think the US will ever recover reputationally on an international standing. When you think everyone still had side eyes at Russia over the Cold War and that was 60 years ago…

but no we should not be getting involved in this war whatsoever. And thank fuck Starmer is in charge. He’s been great on the international stage, calming things down repeatedly, coming up with the “coalition of the willing”, making sure the UK had the least tariffs in the world but also placating Trump while being critical.

in the last year alone, the US has said outright

Who cares about a little country who “hasn’t fought a war in 40-50 years)

“British troops stayed away from the frontline”

and he’s repeatedly tried to bully anyone who says no - can he even stop trade in Spain???

he’s done this to a) distract from the Epstein files and b) so he can declare martial law and stop the mid terms in November

I think you’re likely right, and I’d add that the DOGE cuts probably took out a whole group of people who knew how emergency protocols work and just made things happen when they needed to without waiting for a direct presidential directive.

But the really shocking thing is seeing the cult of Trump on action. I’ve seen them go from hating illegal immigrants, to hating immigrants, to hating Americans protesting ICE, to hating Americans wanting consular services if it makes Trump look bad. There seems to be a bunch of Trump followers who could easily be swayed into civil war, let alone overseas ones.

My assumption would be that this is due to lack of planning.

Trump is already unpopular domestically and his obvious personality traits will be making him desperate about that, and even more unpredictable than usual. I’m not sure how they will bring themselves to allow the elections this year knowing they will likely be trounced. If the elections go ahead in November without any interference it will be reassuring but if not then the US is definitely fucked.

IMO it isn’t our war. And why the fuck should we say how high when trump says jump?! Not so long ago he was slagging off our service men and women who died in Afghanistan! Fuck trump.

Yes I do believe Iran is a threat and the regime needs to change, so fine if the us wants to do that, but it doesn’t mean we have to get involved.

The Right-Wingers love a war, all that jingoistic flag waving and “Rule Britannia” gives them such a thrill.

I’ve not met one person who thinks we shouod get involved, and comments on SM posts are overwhelming supporting staying out. The Daily Mail is well off the mark with this one.

I have just seen the most incredible exchange on Linked In. There’s an American citizen in Dubai who’s been trying to contact the US Embassy there to find out if there will be repatriation flights and he can’t get to a working number. It’s like their consular services have just stopped, just as they’ve kicked off a war in the region.

Another American has - under his actual name - told the first one to stop being so entitled “expecting government hand outs.” FOR EXPECTING CONSULAR SERVICES TO WORK IN A FRIENDLY COUNTRY CURRENTLY BEING ATTACKED IN A WAR HIS COUNTRY HAS STARTED.

American civilisation is in serious trouble. They can’t even be arsed to look after their own if it might make Trump look bad.

That is just absolutely immoral. If they believe we should go to war then they have a right to their opinion but if it’s all about political point scoring then more shame on the Daily Mail.

UK came out rather well out of it, well, Starmer, it was aimed at Starmer. It was just a slide comment, " he is not Churchill".

Spain, oh Spain! Spain is dead to Trump. No more trade! Who are they to oppose the use of bases due to them wanting to adhere to international law? Who? And what is that excuse of international law BS? Off with their head!

Media - is not one newspaper! There is quite a strong public opinion that we want to stay quiet in this conflict. Starmer has not caved into Trump. That’s a good thing. We are gojng to have to get closer to Europe and work with them now the USA is rogue and ignores any idea of international law and the UN.