To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

So Hamas started this did they?

I suggest you read some history. Start I. 1947 and work forward from there..

Genocide is defined as the intentional, systematic destruction—in whole or in part—of a national, ethnic, racial, or religious group. That hasn't happened. What has happened is defense and retaliation against the most brutal and deadliest terrorist attack in Israel's history.

What I'm illustrating to you is that, if genocide were the goal, it would not be continuing to this day.

Putting aside the fact they started this war by murdering and kidnapping thousands of innocent people, Hamas never even surrendered and was the one rejecting peace deals...that is not the behaviour of an area undergoing genocide.

But it's a really obvious and transparent tactic to attack and then run away crying genocide when the target retaliates. I love asking people like you what Israel SHOULD do to defend themselves. What WOULD be deemed acceptable. There is never any response...

It's likely they haven't given it a second's thought.

A huge problem in itself. When will these women wake up?

Please tell me you’re not serious.

So it’s not a genocide because it could be worse. And because it’s not worse that proves it’s not genocide?

That’s some seriously faulty logic you have there.

I’m a woman. I joined the Green Party once years ago, when they were environmentalists. It’s true that some women still stick with them. The councillors near me - I wonder if it’s the same town? - openly agree if you say that you’ll vote for local councillors with a proven long term historical interest in ecology and environmental matters, but that the national leadership now is barshit crazy.

I have got to the point now where I won’t even vote for those locals any more. If I can be bothered to go out and vote any more, I didn’t last time, it would be for a local independent or Monster Raving Loonies. Because that’s all politics has become.

didn't the Greens have a policy at the last election that they were going to increase income tax for anybody earning over £50k?

£50k is still quite a lot of money but it was sufficiently low for it to be a real vote loser

Don't let people drive you away.

Threads often get hijacked by people and veer off.

The comments made by the Green Party Spin Person are disgusting. Rape deniers are disgusting.

Im sorry you are going through a difficult time at present. I hope things improve.

BBC:

The commission said its latest report was "the strongest and most authoritative UN finding to date" on the war. However, it does not officially speak for the UN.

The UN says it cannot make a legal determination as to whether a situation constitutes genocide under international law. It says a situation is referred to as genocide only after a competent national or international court has declared it as such.

The International Court of Justice (ICJ) is currently hearing a case brought by South Africa that accuses Israeli forces of genocide, but it could take years to reach a conclusion. Israel has called the case "wholly unfounded" and based on "biased and false claims".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

Women like the Green Party.

In the university town i live in each city council ward elects 3 councillors and my ward has elected three apparently nice women from the Green Party for as long as i can remember. (Not the same three women each time)

I assume they are committed environmentalists and don't necessarily accept all the other crap the party now is associated with.

But maybe they do. It is a bit of a lefty "progressive" city

I’m not the one saying that Israel has committed genocide. The UN commission are the ones saying it.

why are you finding it so hard to accept?

Israel is a nuclear power and Gaza is tiny. If Israel wanted to commit genocide it would have been done within the space of a few days. If this genocide is occurring why on earth would it be continuing years later?

Ok, so we can agree that Hamas raped and murdered Israeli women in Oct 7th. I have no problem at all with agreeing with you on that.

Can you agree with me that Israel has committed genocide in Gaza?

That is such a flippant comment. How can you know what genocide looks like? It’s a really specific term and not something to just be thrown around willy-nilly.

From what’s been said on this thread, it’s unclear as to whether Israel have committed genocide. Just because you think it’s the case, that doesn’t make it so.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-67629181

Thanks for your post about what got you interested in Judaism. I started to become more and more interested in it early last year.

I then lost a close relative very suddenly, and by complete chance, I found the below Jewish prayer online, which I’ve learned is recited after someone dies:

God, full of compassion, who dwells on high, grant perfect rest beneath the sheltering wings of Your divine presence, among the holy and pure who shine as the brightness of the firmament, unto (insert name of the deceased) who has gone to his/her eternal home. Author of mercy, bring him/her under the shelter of Your wings and let his/her soul be bound up in the bonds of eternal life. May you be his/her inheritance and may his/her repose be in peace. Amen.

It brought me huge comfort at that time - and still does - even though I’m not Jewish and do not believe in God.

I’ve also got a lot of comfort from the words ‘may his/her memory be a blessing’, which I think is also often said in Judaism of someone who’s passed away.

Hmm. Who to believe? The UN commission or some random person on the internet?

I saw the Tv footage of Gaza being bombed. Looked like genocide to me.

This is like defending anti-choice legislation by saying 'but some people want to have babies.'

You can have unlimited sympathy and tolerance for oppressive regimes from your safe distance and feel oh-so-untouchable, but kindness to the perpetrator is cruelty to the victim.