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OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:44

@IcyPlumShaker . Ok, seriously.
Re read your paragraph starting "But anyone..." Perhaps re phrase that one, if you condemn the atrocities of Oct 7th? ( which I'm sure you do).

IcyPlumShaker · 06/03/2026 08:44

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:31

Plus, what were Hamas hoping to achieve?
Do naive, “resistance” supporting Westerners really think Hamas thought their horrendous attack would improve the lives of the people in Gaza?

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I don't know what they thought it would achieve. I'm sure they knew there would be reprisals. Maybe they underestimated Israel's willingness to level Gaza in retaliation.

One thing it HAS done, is raise the profile of Palestinians and their struggle to the world. And I don't think Israel have improved their reputation in the process.

Ihatetomatoes · 06/03/2026 08:42

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:41

Islamist groups are fascist, Hamas is no exception.
Nihilistic , homophobic, misogynist, antisemitic, anti democratic, hardline.
Quite why they are excused so much - even supported - is mind blowing .

Indeed it is.

Yet we have seen plenty of it.

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:41

Islamist groups are fascist, Hamas is no exception.
Nihilistic , homophobic, misogynist, antisemitic, anti democratic, hardline.
Quite why they are excused so much - even supported - is mind blowing .

IcyPlumShaker · 06/03/2026 08:41

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Firry · 06/03/2026 08:39

I think everyone knows that Hamas are knuckle dragging cavemen who think women are just there to be raped at will. These Hamas ‘fighters’ are the most disgusting sub human pieces of shit on the planet, clearly.

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:31

EllaDisenchanted · 06/03/2026 08:18

there is no ‘context’ that would frame October 7th as anything other than a barbaric violent murderous terroristic invasion. You absolutely are defending Hamas’ actions as soon as you invoke ‘context’.
how does the slogan go? “Resistance is justified when people are occupied”? 🤮

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Plus, what were Hamas hoping to achieve?
Do naive, “resistance” supporting Westerners really think Hamas thought their horrendous attack would improve the lives of the people in Gaza?

HappyFace2025 · 06/03/2026 08:30

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:24

The attempts to excuse and minimise what happened on October 7th over the last two and a half years have been really eye opening.
Really shows you why Jewish people might want their own state.

This.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 06/03/2026 08:25

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You didn't reply to my last post because there were too many flaws in your logic, but you call kidnapping an 8 year old girl from her house and gang raping her until her pelvis dislocates justified in context?

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:24

The attempts to excuse and minimise what happened on October 7th over the last two and a half years have been really eye opening.
Really shows you why Jewish people might want their own state.

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:21

Rape is not resistance.

EllaDisenchanted · 06/03/2026 08:18

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there is no ‘context’ that would frame October 7th as anything other than a barbaric violent murderous terroristic invasion. You absolutely are defending Hamas’ actions as soon as you invoke ‘context’.
how does the slogan go? “Resistance is justified when people are occupied”? 🤮

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:14

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 08:09

And claimed that they themselves were unbiased!

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Unbelievable.

Twiglets1 · 06/03/2026 08:09

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:05

This is from a poster who has accused others of "bias" on this thread.

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And claimed that they themselves were unbiased!

OrangeAxolotyl · 06/03/2026 08:05

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:04

I fully agree with you, but I would be surprised if pp hadn’t heard about the Bibas family and what happened to them 🧡
But it’s “it didn’t start on October 7th” and all that.

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This is from a poster who has accused others of "bias" on this thread.

inamarina · 06/03/2026 08:04

Aislyn · 05/03/2026 23:04

You have justified and condoned the murder and rape of women and children, because they happen to be Jewish.

You should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you are a woman or a mother.

Look up the Bibas family, and what happened to the mother and her beautiful baby boys.

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I fully agree with you, but I would be surprised if pp hadn’t heard about the Bibas family and what happened to them 🧡
But it’s “it didn’t start on October 7th” and all that.

inamarina · 06/03/2026 07:41

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 19:46

Read it again. In fact, read all my posts again. I’ve consistently said that Hamas’ actions in Oct 7th were appalling.

But if any of you think that Israel are innocent victims in all this, then you are sadly deluded.

Whatever. I’m done here. Enjoy your evenings.

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The teenagers gunned down at a festival, the women with bloodied joggers, the peaceniks and their whole families (the same ones who were previously helping Palestinians) slaughtered and burned in their kibbutz, a mother and her two babies abducted and killed in captivity - yes, they were innocent victims ffs!
So utterly sick of disgusting posts like this.

WalkDontWalk · 06/03/2026 07:17

EvangelicalAboutButteredToast · 02/03/2026 18:02

The only reason those morons are in is they actively campaigned for the Muslim vote by (rightly or wrongly) smearing Reform as racist.

If it’s rightly, it’s not a smear, is it? It’s an observation

EdithStourton · 06/03/2026 06:27

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 19:46

Read it again. In fact, read all my posts again. I’ve consistently said that Hamas’ actions in Oct 7th were appalling.

But if any of you think that Israel are innocent victims in all this, then you are sadly deluded.

Whatever. I’m done here. Enjoy your evenings.

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Numerous ethnic and religious groups have suffered centuries of persecution without responding as Hamas did.

There is no excuse for October 7th. None.

SapphireSeptember · 06/03/2026 01:21

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 19:46

Read it again. In fact, read all my posts again. I’ve consistently said that Hamas’ actions in Oct 7th were appalling.

But if any of you think that Israel are innocent victims in all this, then you are sadly deluded.

Whatever. I’m done here. Enjoy your evenings.

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What the fuck did the babies and children and women murdered by those cunts do to deserve it? Nothing! They were innocent!

Hamas knew exactly what they were doing. Gaza had been peaceful enough for people to be visiting (the Scottish first minister's in laws were there when it happened.) They knew Israel would retaliate. They gave zero fucks about the Gazans who were killed (many more innocent babies and children and women died.)

I do not hold the citizens of a country responsible for the actions of their government. Otherwise I'd be blaming all Americans for Trump.

Even typing that makes me want to scream. The injustice of it all. The horrors of it all. So many lives lost. Others torn apart. I know there's more horrendous things happening in Sudan and Ukraine and Iran and I feel like I've had enough of humanity.

Aislyn · 05/03/2026 23:04

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 22:36

I’ve done no such thing.

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You have justified and condoned the murder and rape of women and children, because they happen to be Jewish.

You should be ashamed of yourself, especially if you are a woman or a mother.

Look up the Bibas family, and what happened to the mother and her beautiful baby boys.

Ihatetomatoes · 05/03/2026 22:47

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 22:36

I’ve done no such thing.

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"Hmm. Why do you think Hamas did that on Oct 7th?
Anything to do with Israel bullying Palestinians, settling their land illegally, treating them unfairly for years?"

I am filled with disgust at your comment in quotations above.

Make you feel a big man does it?

I wont be replying to whatever you say. Ignore button needed. Chilling. Just as others have said.

Youdontseehow · 05/03/2026 22:41

MrThorpeHazell · 03/03/2026 11:49

I wouldn't condemn ANYONE for ANYTHING on the basis of a report in the Daily Mail.
YABU.

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Aislyn · 05/03/2026 22:36

It reads as #metoo, unless you are a Jewish woman.

IcyPlumShaker · 05/03/2026 22:36

Ihatetomatoes · 05/03/2026 22:24

You've just given your justification for the biggest slaughter of Jewish people since The Holocaust. Dreadful. Shame on you.

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I’ve done no such thing.

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