To think this is utterly disgusting?!?

If you have an issue with another poster's comments, please take it up with her.

If you read back, I think HappyFace2025 said that the war started on Oct 7. She said that Israel had left Gaza in peace from 2005 (I have corrected her that factually this was incorrect) and that the recent war started as a result of Oct 7 (I said that this was not correct either). Disclaimer: I haven't read back to find the posts so if you provide a quote to the contrary of the above, apologies, but I am pretty sure that was said.

He has back tracked a bit. We as females were horrified that rape was so casually excused.

The icy plum one is male. I wont engage with him again after what he said.

@IcyPlumShaker I might be wrong but I think emotions were heightened because I posted the above quotes from a military magazine.

If you read back, I think HappyFace2025 said that the war started on Oct 7. She said that Israel had left Gaza in peace from 2005 (I have corrected her that factually this was incorrect) and that the recent war started as a result of Oct 7 (I said that this was not correct either). Disclaimer: I haven't read back to find the posts so if you provide a quote to the contrary of the above, apologies, but I am pretty sure that was said.

I think those of us reading her posts are well aware of what she posted.
The issue was about "innocent victims".
She has since clarified her meaning.

This is not great either. But I have found the magazine and the quote - the magazine is "Israel En Guerre Dossier Raids Nov - Dec 2025 and Jan 2026" and the extract is:

Le 9 octobre 2023, l'Etat hebreu impose un "siege complete" a l'enclave palestinienne. "Pas d'electricite, pas de nourriture, pas d'eau, pas de carburant [...]. Nous combattons des animaux humains et nous agissons en consequence", declare alor le ministre de la Defence israelien, Yoav Gallant

Which roughly translates as:

On October 9, 2023, the State of Israel imposed a "full siege" on the Palestinian enclave. “No electricity, no food, no water, no fuel [...]. We are fighting human animals and we are acting accordingly,” declared Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant.

And in relation to the bombardments:

En consideration de la declaration anterieure, on peut legitement s'interroger sur l'application, ou non, de la "doctrine Dahiya", qui preconise l'utilisaton de la force militaire disproportionnee lors de represailles contre des zones civiles [...] La doctrine Dahiya theorise, depuis 2008, qu'il ne faut plus faire la distinction entre cibles civiles et militaire afin d'affaiblir les ennemis de l'Etat hebreu et les dissuader de lancer de futures attaques. En detruisant les infrastructure (routes, batiments admintratifs, installations electriques, etc) le but est d'obliger l'ennemi a consacrer tout son temps a reconstruire plutot qu'a s'organiser et a se rearmer. Un concept securitaire dont les civils payent le prix fort [..]

Which roughly translates as:

In light of this earlier statement, one can legitimately question whether or not the “Dahiya Doctrine”, which advocates the use of disproportionate military force in reprisals against civilian areas, is being used [...] The Dahiya Doctrine has theorized since 2008 that the distinction between civilian and military targets should no longer be made in order to weaken the enemies of the State of Israel and deter them from launching future attacks. Destroying infrastructure (roads, administrative buildings, electrical installations, etc.) is the aim, but it forces the enemy to devote all its time to rebuilding rather than organizing and rearming. A security concept for which civilians pay a heavy price [...]

She clarified her meaning because a group of posters were tearing into her and misrepresenting what she was saying.

I think those of us reading her posts are well aware of what she posted.
The issue was about "innocent victims".
She has since clarified her meaning.

She clarified her meaning because a group of posters were tearing into her and misrepresenting what she was saying.

I think those of us reading her posts are well aware of what she posted.
The issue was about "innocent victims".
She has since clarified her meaning.

If you read back, I think HappyFace2025 said that the war started on Oct 7. She said that Israel had left Gaza in peace from 2005 (I have corrected her that factually this was incorrect) and that the recent war started as a result of Oct 7 (I said that this was not correct either). Disclaimer: I haven't read back to find the posts so if you provide a quote to the contrary of the above, apologies, but I am pretty sure that was said.

Nobody on here has claimed that the war started on Oct 7th. It ended a ceasefire and a brokering for sure, but that's part of the long term conflict.
I think that the problem is that you appear to be saying that there are no innocent Israeli victims in this whole tragedy. That's how it comes across. This whole thread stems from the claims (not yet denied) by the Greens spokesperson in relation to the women victims.
I don't think it helps if you suggest that they weren't innocent victims, but perhaps it's just your wording.

@IcyPlumShaker didn't say that at all. What she said in the post which offended so much was what Guterres of the UN said - that Oct 7 didn't happen in a vacuum. If Guterres were here on the thread would you be all tearing into him too?

No. Your posts did appear to claim that there were no innocent Israeli victims, but you have since clarified your meaning.

I stand by everything I've said on this thread. This war didn't start on Oct 7th last year; it's bizarre to me that people think that.

And I do believe that I'm unbiased, yes. I can say, hand on heart, that I believe that BOTH Hamas and Israel have been guilty of appalling things in this conflict.

Seems like the rest of you think Israel are totally innocent in all this. Now THAT is bias.

Or perhaps people don't read properly. There seems to have been plenty of that on this thread too.

Thank you for clarifying this.
Perhaps your previous wording obscured this.

Happy to clarify that for you. The Israelis who were kidnapped and killed - and yes, in some cases raped - on Oct 7th were completely innocent.

I apologise if I gave the impression that I thought otherwise.

Nobody on here has claimed that the war started on Oct 7th. It ended a ceasefire and a brokering for sure, but that's part of the long term conflict.
I think that the problem is that you appear to be saying that there are no innocent Israeli victims in this whole tragedy. That's how it comes across. This whole thread stems from the claims (not yet denied) by the Greens spokesperson in relation to the women victims.
I don't think it helps if you suggest that they weren't innocent victims, but perhaps it's just your wording.

I stand by everything I've said on this thread. This war didn't start on Oct 7th last year; it's bizarre to me that people think that.

And I do believe that I'm unbiased, yes. I can say, hand on heart, that I believe that BOTH Hamas and Israel have been guilty of appalling things in this conflict.

Seems like the rest of you think Israel are totally innocent in all this. Now THAT is bias.

Nobody on here has claimed that the war started on Oct 7th. It ended a ceasefire and a brokering for sure, but that's part of the long term conflict.
I think that the problem is that you appear to be saying that there are no innocent Israeli victims in this whole tragedy. That's how it comes across. This whole thread stems from the claims (not yet denied) by the Greens spokesperson in relation to the women victims.
I don't think it helps if you suggest that they weren't innocent victims, but perhaps it's just your wording.

@IcyPlumShaker . Ok, seriously.
Re read your paragraph starting "But anyone..." Perhaps re phrase that one, if you condemn the atrocities of Oct 7th? ( which I'm sure you do).