To think it will be revealed WLI cause physical aging

But it’s an outcome. And a good one. For our mental health, very few people like being fat.

No way round it, and if I come across as defensive it’s for good reason, I look way better, more youthful fitter, stronger. I posted images above. Willing to put my money where my mouth is.

i have healthy blood pressure from very high bp , off the meds, cholesterol halved and now optimal, sleep apnea gone, and cortisol levels normal.

and yeah, I look great too, my body is fit and toned, my face firm, so no I’m not going to accept it makes us look older as a stereotype. And if that makes me defensive, so be it.

but yes, feeling more attractive is the cherry on top, and if someone wants to do it for just that reason, more power to them, mental health is importing too.

yes the defensive lunacy on this thread is quite something.

@Katey83 can you say why people like me wouldn’t be objective about the long term risks of WLI? Can you say what the risks are that people like me might be minimising or ignoring or similar? Just to note, I have not at any point mentioned jealousy or any other motivation for why people like to think that looking awful after using WLI is inevitable or common, or something to be concerned about.

Indeed not! And this is why people forming health based judgements based on how they feel about the appearance of others is best avoided.

If there is one thing I wish everyone could learn from these threads, it's that your personal standards about what looks fat, noticeably overweight, chubby, thin, healthy etc are just that.

The people filling this thread (and all the weightloss jab threads) with posts about how great they look and feel now and how everyone with concerns is just jealous are probably not going to be the most objective about either how others perceive them or the longer-term risks of WLI!

people I care about and am close to are my business? The social norms around women's bodies that we are establishing and that my dds will grow up in are my business. Honestly the defensive lunacy on this thread is mind boggling. I might be a little jealous of I don't know, the looks of someone like Jennifer Lawrence in her prime. Literally no one with a normal mindset is jealous of a 50 year old who has been obese their whole adult life, lost a few pounds and had a budget facelift!

Just a point, WLI are aimed at treating obesity, they are not aimed at making women more conventionally attractive. I don’t think that was one of the clinical trial outcomes that was studied.

You seem quite determined to misrepresent everyone on this thread.

You seem so very concerned about so many people around you, when really you'd be better off minding your own beeswax.

I have told him he looks ill. He doesn't agree and won't see a dr. Tbh it seems like an ED to me, brought on by the drugs and the high of losing weight. There isn't much I can do really other than continue to gently be there for him.

He probably doesnt look anything like this.

I had similar, people saying I was too thin, 'skinny', dont lose any more

Im a normal weight!

And I think you sound like someone who has spent much of their life desperately insecure about how they look, and now, having accessed procedures to rectify that self-esteem issue, are desperately hoping those of us who haven't struggled in that way will envy you. It's genuinely sad, and I wish you peace.

Yes, if someone is yellow that sounds like potential for a rather significant health concern! I do hope he's spoken to a doctor.

React how? If I see anyone who looks ill because they are taking meds they have bought off an online prescriber, I'd be worried. I (genuinely) wonder if the defensiveness in you and others on the WLs is because those who have spent their life being jealous of thin women cannot conceive that some of us just don't really see other women (or men) in terms of competition in that way?

I also have actually done quite extensive campaigning through work about the risks of hormonal contraceptives, so I do think that women's health is important. A drug aimed at getting women to look conventionally more attractive (i.e slimmer), that can be sold for massive profit to the drug companies obviously has no risk whatsoever of being proven to be dangerous? You'd have to be ignorant of the history of women's health to think that.

Im on WLI and just had cosmetic surgery. I had multiple blood and other tests scans etc etc before and all were absolutely perfect. I think you just sound jealous 😏

So she didn't meet the prescription criteria then. And no, you have not been clear about your terms. We've had vague descriptions based on your subjective perceptions, and even just in your first post you were talking about looking and seeming.

she met the prescription criteria because she didn't tell the only prescriber she was postpartum and breastfeeding. I mean, I was pretty clear about my terms in my first post - as it started with the point that they are a game-changing drug for anyone with a medical need of them.

A public health risk, 😂😂😂 bet you don’t react the same about other meds. Just the ones where women become slim.

a risk to your mental health maybe.

it's weird you think I see it as competition. In what way would my being concerned about my friends and family mean I am in competition with them? I'm not. I am 42 years old, married and happy. I see it as a public health risk. My cousin who looks very unwell has always been better looking than me in honesty, and never overweight, and I've never felt competitive about that. I am worried about her.

I had a BMI of something like 54! I was nearly 25 stone - however because I only had some creaky joints and am otherwise in decent health - I won't qualify on the NHS for a very long time as they roll it out gradually - I didn't have the required number of co-morbid weight-caused health conditions.

I could:
a) carry on waiting until the criteria relaxed - getting fatter and iller
b) carry on waiting until I developed enough health conditions - I do not fancy fucking with diabetes having seen the damage that can do uncontrolled
c) get off my arse and finance it myself

I won't apologise for choosing option c, clearly within the guidelines for people for whom the drug is indicated but taking the opportunity to pay for it privately - thus saving the NHS money in terms of initial cost of the drug plus the cost of not having to treat the obesity related health conditions I don't develop as the result of getting 10 points and counting off my BMI score. Plus the costs they're not going to incur as a result of me getting my mobility and activity levels up to a level I'm at the gym most days as a result of dropping enough weight to be able to do this.

The NHS has to juggle cost-benefit for anything it approves - it's not the arbiter of absolute prescription licensing - there are drugs and treatments it doesn't fund because the men in suits with calculators view the costs as not being justified by the benefits - we have to make the case for every communication aid iPad my service funds - we don't hand them out to everyone with communication problems... doesn't negate someone wanting to help themselves or their family and sourcing their own device or software if they don't quite meet our criteria. Same with mounjaro, wegovy and any other drugs in the pipeline.

Yes there are morons out there using it as the only way they're planning on losing weight, there are people trying to "cheat" (it's been tightened up a LOT from when it was launched) and there are idiots jabbing themselves with fuck knows what they bought from the hairdresser round the corner... but there are also a hell of a lot of people out there like I was - at the point where a body had become so limiting you were trapped by your size, who needed to calm the food noise (if you don't experience this you won't ever fully get the impact these GLP1 agonists can have where other stuff doesn't) and get enough weight dropped to be able to make longer term changes like walking and going to the gym - because moving a 25 stone body around is bloody HARD (not to mention the abuse you get).

And so what if they do it for cosmetic reasons they are still obese. You aren’t in competition with them, they aren’t with you. If they are obese and want to do it for cosmetic reasons, good for them. It will always improve their health markers, their longevity and their mental health as they love their appearance .

good for them I say.

@Soontobesingles if I take it that you mean people like me, it’s because you have been unclear in who you are referring to and have been grouping legitimate use in with illegitimate use.

Maybe you should tell your male friend very clearly that you think he looks terminally ill, like he has end stage cancer. If he’s yellow, presumably that’s liver damage which would be an urgent issue if it’s not already. Sounds serious, and I hope he isn’t as unwell as you perceive him to be.

It sounds like who you're actually talking about then is people who don't meet the prescription criteria for WLIs and fall into the group who are only taking them for cosmetic reasons. You ought to be clear about your terms. That's particularly important when you've talked about a friend who fits into this category and decided that they were unnecessary in her case, despite the fact that if she met the prescription criteria there is evidence that the benefit is greater than the risk.

Yes, the issue is the people posting all the negative stuff are the ones obsessed with looks and can’t fathom anyone else might not be, for them it’s about their looks versus other women’s, it’s all about the fact we can be slim, and they can’t or they have to work harder in their view.

you won’t get them to agree, because for them, it is all about looks, that’s where the envy and discomfort, the resentment comes from. The fact it is for others about health, isn’t something they can accept, as they grapple with their own body image issues and compare themselves to other women.

if they are obese, then they need the drug for health reasons? So I don't really get the point you are making? If you need a medicine, you need it, and it's likely to improve your life...I have never disputed this.

I can also see with my own eyes that they are dangerous for people who take them only because they want to look thinner.

As previously pointed out, no you can't, because a person can be obese and still only doing it for cosmetic reasons.

It really is an important point. The risks and benefits of both obesity and WLIs exist regardless of what one feels about them and why a person takes a particular decision.