To think in the past people had more stoicism and resilience and it’s a shame we’ve sort of lost that?

Well, there you go. No resilience whatsoever 🤣🤣🤣

I note that the OP hasn't come back and only posted once 🤔

I'm glad you mentioned that. I started work at 16 as was common in the 60s and daily groping was a fact of life. All men were Gregg Wallace and many were a great deal worse. Whenever you started working somewhere new, one of the girls would take you to one side and give you the lowdown on the male staff. At one place I can remember being told not to let a certain staff member get between me and the door - he was a partner in an extremely posh form of London solicitors. One boss did corner me and stuck his hands up my skirt - I managed to knee him in the groin and escape, but really it was just another day in the office. And of course there was never anyone to complain to and it wouldn't have been taken seriously anyway. Men could do as they liked secure in the knowledge that the would get away with it.

BadBadBunny.. that’s insightful. Thank you.

Try being a Rangers supporter...🙄

I hear you lol. Just had goal disallowed I hear

On a lighter note, I've been a Spurs supporter all my life and am amazingly resilient (IYKYK).

THANK YOU.

There are accounts of crusaders with PTSD who broke down at the sound of clashing swords.

So with (not much) respect, you're talking bollocks OP.

As for how they'll cope in the workplace, well, in my experience, most youngsters only "grow up" once they're in the workplace, finally working alongside other adults doing stressful work etc. Uni has become just an extension of school, so a lot of youngsters remain immature during their Uni years. They change drastically in their first few months/years of work. And after all, law and medical students don't suddenly become fully qualified lawyers/doctors the moment they leave Uni, do they, so they won't get the same stresses and responsibility of more experienced lawyers/doctors for the first few months/years.

In one of my previous jobs, I was responsible for recruitment of youngsters and probably 90% of them came in very immature and barely able to function in an adult workplace (this was the 1990s!!). It was an absolute pleasure to guide them and watch them turn into fully functioning adults (both in the work place and in their lives outside work) just by them being alongside other mature adults for 7/8 hours per day, rather than being in an artificial school/college/Uni environment surrounded by other immature youngsters.

I could cringe (and so would they) if I think back to some of the more ridiculous youngsters we took on, but most of them are now middle aged professionals in responsible/stressful senior positions.

As for youngsters being naive, immature etc when first coming into the workplace - it was ever thus!

Tiresome ageism. Knock it off, do.

Respectfully, this is nonsense. There’s absolutely no correlation between either autism or introversion and good exam performance. And doctors are ordinary people. They’re just ordinary people who went to medical school.

And yes, passed rigorous exams and training, because I imagine you don’t want your heart bypass or your lung transplant done by someone who failed that module, however empathetic they might be.

Too much emphasis is placed on exam results.
The people who get the best scores are often autistic or very introverted and lack basic social skills.

I think it's also an issue with the medical profession in particular with too many doctors having little or no empathy or ability to understand ordinary people.
I honestly think we should be selecting doctors using other criteria than who spent the most hours studying for their exams.

15% mortgage rate. "When are you planning to start a family? " a routine question at interview. Careers teachers who steered all the girls to a clerical job in the Civil Service or Teaching. No private pension schemes available of you were in an occupational one. Reading glasses only available from an optician at vast cost, opticians allowed to keep your prescription from you and make you buy glasses where your eyes were tested and charge accordingly. No morning after pill. No pill at all, depending on your GP and his antedeluvian attitudes. Having to beg for an abortion if you were a married woman. Police asking rape victims why they wore what they were wearing. Oh I could probably go on all morning 🤣

I honestly wouldn't be surprised if future generations try and claim reparations for their ancestors enduring the trauma of lockdown. 😆

Not to mention that being a woman in the world of business would've been much worse than nowadays. Society was way more sexist.

Boomers went through the extremely high unemployment of the 80s and the closure of many industries previously relied upon for jobs. It wasn't the walk in the park you're suggesting.

Kids also need to be bored, to let be bored, so they can figure what they want to do, think about things...... Anecdote but true, I had a friend who went to teacher to complain her child wasn't being challenged in reading, talking about first year in school... At same time my son had made same complaint to me, that he was bored etc and i said sure nothing wrong with that, enjoy having no issue with reading , think of other stuff...relax. In all honesty my friends comments made me think a lot about this, but in end I decided , it's probably better for child for parent not to say , oh u must be completely engaged, not bored, ever and try and "sort"childs boredom. I mean boredom's a part of life which imo can be v beneficial to an individual...

I may be wrong... Reminded me somewhat of parents of v young kids in school , who on mumsnet i recall would complain about kids spending half day before Christmas watching a film , on basis that this wasn't education... Tbh , watching a film with your friends, before Christmas, in school, so a treat.... Probably might be hugely beneficial to them... Social engagement, new experience, peer relationships, general fun.....

Why are you telling me all this stuff? As though I'm a 20 year old who didn't live through it?

No tracking apps when my eldest kids were teenagers either

I fully agree with your last paragraph btw

The people who lived through the trauma of that bombing campaign and all of us who grew up with the threat of IRA bombs were still living with it in the 80s and yes it in part contributed to the high suicide rate.
We also grew up in the cold War with the constant threat of nuclear anhilation we even had lessons on what to do in the event of a nuclear attack and on MAD (Mutually Assured Destruction). When you have the constant threat of death, destruction and diseases like aids. Then there was Thatcher smashing the unions and closing the mines so mass unemployment entire communities were decimated.
All of the above contributed to a suicide spike, but it also made many of us more resilient.
We also didn't have mobile phones or tracking apps, health and safety was unheard of and tbh childhood was survival of the fittest or more accurately the luckiest, i mean even our climbing frames were above concrete and/or tarmac no nice rubber surfaces or wood chips, i don't know any of my friends growing up who didn't end up in hospital with broken bones, gaping wounds and/or internal injuries from playing out. We needed to know what to do when our friends got hurt, where to go for help (no mobile phones remember ) and what to do until help got there.
In trying make life safer for children we as a society have gone to far and coddled and indulged our dc too much, everything has to have a label even normal emotions, nobody can lose a game, kids are tracked and monitored at all times and their days are stuffed full of activities, groups and clubs. They get no time to be free and explore so is it a surprise that they haven't learned resilience

But frequently ime support today can mean parents allowing their children little to no independence in their activities and micro managing everything. People afraid to let their children walk to and from school, go into town or park with friends etc where there is no reason for this. Parents who don't as their kids get older encourage them to deal with issues themselves first etc.

I understand why parents do it and sometimes it's very hard not to , but that kind of parenting by refusing to encourage your child being independent, making and communicating their own decisions etc can be damaging.

I was thinking about this yesterday.
In my job I see students.
Over the last week several requesting certificates so they could spend longer completing exams and be in a quiet room because anxiety. Studying law, psychology, teaching.. all stressful jobs where you need to front up and are under pressure to perform. I wondered why nobody suggested they study something else ? How will they to cope.
All these young people came from homes which had well provided for them… good schooling, music lessons, sport
I studied too. I came from really really adverse circumstances.. not having enough clothes, bedding. My dad was alcoholic and Mum never functioned.
i suffered with horrible anxiety at that stage but I was really determined.
I just felt sad for these young people… we have let them down.

Oh the anti ageist thing didn’t take long to start then. 🙄. It’s rubbish anyway - we didn’t expect the world handed to us on a plate, and we didn’t need counselling if we stubbed our toes. We got on with it.

What a load of nonsense. People had the same choices then that they have today when something bad happens. Either deal with it or go collapse in a heap.

I do think we are less resilient, my dad grew up in poverty in a way most people in the Uk couldn’t comprehend (I couldn’t either tbf). He had to build a life from scratch, none of the support systems we have in the UK. He had little patience for people complaining about their lot. I’ve met people who’ve grown up in war zones, some have got PTSD and anxiety etc some are absolutely fine, what they have in common though is they just get on with shit regardless, very little self pity. I don’t think you need to grow up in a warzone to achieve that though.

I don’t think you can teach resilience in a school, I think resilience is taught to kids by letting them fail and then telling them to get up and try again, allowing them to take risks, helping them have a sense of perspective. I do think our parenting styles have got too overprotective and it’s damaging. A bit of benign neglect is a good thing,