To think that everyone is getting far too excited about this Green win?

Er...backbench MP. Compared to 3 PMs and a party leader?

Anyway your green party had a female leader? I thought we were talking about Labour? Or are you lumping them both together as one leaden mess of leftyness? 😉

And here is a wonderful new, young MP winning for Green.

Quality. Not quantity.

I think he will. Its par for the course with many political parties being asked to run in a seat that its impossible to win rather than parachuted in. I think he will get an easier seat to try for in 2029. Hes very clear in his communication and backs everything up with facts and figures due to his academic career, which is useful in debates. Facts are often in short supply these days.

I don't think anyone is expecting the Greens to win a GE. You are missing the point.

The reason left-leaning people are happy is because Reform failed yet again to win a national by-election. That is three out of four. Replicate that in a GE and they have no chance of being in power, not even if they formed a coalition with the Tories, given the latter's current abysmal performance.

Obviously there are three years to go until the next GE, so things could change. But there is hope that the far right will have collapsed politically by then.

Just pointing out what's happened in the past.
I can do that in isolation.

I wonder happens to Goodwin now - will he stick around?

Farage, Tice, Goodwin, Yusuf are all said not to particularly like each other!

Reform beat the Labour Party and the Conservatives.

Well the Conservatives have had 3 women PMs plus Kemi as leader.

Labour....oh yes they did have an acting female leader briefly?

YANBU

Jeremy Corbyn won a similar bi election when he was leader of the Labour party and look how that ended for him. One swallow does not make a summer, especially when we are talking about a constituency that doesn't represent the norm in this country.

Where are the Labour female leaders? Sort that out before talking down yet another female politician.

That's a yes.

That poster was taking the piss out of your Islamophobic views.

But these aren't green policies. They want to decriminalise drugs for personal use so they can focus on treatment and support. Which is a policy with public health evidence. It doesn't legalise supply or date rape drugs.

They have a dream of a world without borders but that is not policy. Their immigration policy is probably not as tight as people would want but it isn't open borders.

Oh and while I'm at it, there's no suggestion that there was sufficient vote cheating to change the result. It's been clearly stated that the margin is large enough that it's very very unlikely to have made a difference. There has been no evidenced commentary on who is involved or why. I get we all think it's Muslim families but this isn't official. There's also zero evidence that it's forced - it could be a confidence or language barrier thing. They may have voted alone if reminded family voting was illegal.

Also I highly doubt these presumed Muslim women and young adults would be predominantly reform voters. The only way the result would have changed even in margins is if we blocked them from voting. They are entitled to vote so we need to look at why, if they exist, they can't do it independently.

I think thats the by-product of standing up for UK citizens unfortunately. We can't take in the world or prioritise the rights of non UK citizens over the wellbeing of UK citizens. Its just a fact of life and tax. Many people on the left dont like it of course.

As Matt Goodwin did after he lost.

You think Reform don't frequently foster prejudice, discrimination, or intense conflict with other groups?

It's been like that every time a government, of any party, loses a by-election for as far back as I can remember and Wilson was in No 10 when I started voting.

If it's sexist then it's the Tories sexism.

Thinking of how Truss and May were left to take the fall and then a nice Eton/Winchester boy shoved in to do take the crown after the dust settled.

Great to see a young, working class woman MP do so well in Gorton and Denton.

Hopefully now there will be more media scrutiny on the Greens especially on why they believe women shouldn't have single sex spaces.

I hope you are right, what on earth would happen if this monster raving loony party actually got into power, heaven help us.

Not that ive noticed. What policies of Reform are sectarian? As far as I can see they are just standing up for UK citizens. Which are the people they should logically be standing up for, being in the UK? No need to stand up for people who live elsewhere like tbe Greens do.

I admit knowing nowt about Restore. They arent exactly an electoral force so I wouldnt worry about them too much.

Let’s hope not anyway. Given they think any random man is a woman as long as he says he is, they’d be as bad for women’s rights and Reform’s proposed repeal of the Equality Act. Plus some of their politicians in Scotland are just appalling

It’s not really a vote against Reform though is it. This is one of the most left wing seats in the whole country. For it to have swung to Reform would have been miraculous.

However, the fact they still came second, despite ultra left wing and ethnically diverse seat, probably gives an indication of what’s going to happen in other seats.

What relevance is Palestine to
the people of the UK who are struggling under high utility / food / housing / tax costs, stagnant wages, terrible health care and poor job prospects for the young?

Some people who emigrated here have their heart still in Muslim homelands and therefore their main concerns lie outwith the UK. The Green Party have recognised this, recognised that these people have a vote still and have messaged accordingly.

Thats why some people are concerned. The issues winning elections aren’t those of concern to many.

This is sexist. No wonder Labour only have male leaders. Branch out. She’s doing better than the men.