Page 5 | To think that everyone is getting far too excited about this Green win?

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 2026-02-28T07:18:02+00:00

All this fuss about one Green win - I really don't think it's massively significant given the local demographic and the upcoming local elections will be the real test. As if the Greens are going to get anywhere near power! Not going to happen.

ilovesooty · 01/03/2026 14:30

It' would be helpful if people learned how to distinguish between legalisation and decriminalisation.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 14:27

Allseeingallknowing · 01/03/2026 14:25

They are pandering to the Muslim vote

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A bit like Reform pandering to the racist vote. 🤷‍♀️

Allseeingallknowing · 01/03/2026 14:25

Locutus2000 · 01/03/2026 14:22

The Green Party is all for the rights of trans etc but also put out an add in Urdu.

Why do you think muslims don't deserve a vote like anyone else?

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They are pandering to the Muslim vote

Labelledelune · 01/03/2026 14:25

Locutus2000 · 01/03/2026 14:22

The Green Party is all for the rights of trans etc but also put out an add in Urdu.

Why do you think muslims don't deserve a vote like anyone else?

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You obviously don’t understand what I’ve written. It’s a party with many conflictions, we all know that Islam forbids these things and often cry for the death penalty. I said nothing about anyone not deserving a vote. I just don’t understand them courting to completely different mindsets.

Locutus2000 · 01/03/2026 14:22

Labelledelune · 01/03/2026 14:08

People aren’t seeing a couple of things. This area has a high demographic of Muslim voters, it’s also been said that whole families went into the booths together which is against the law. The Green Party is all for the rights of trans etc but also put out an add in Urdu. This just doesn’t make sense to me. They also want to legalise ‘A’ class drugs, but they don’t yet even seem to have a mandate.

The Green Party is all for the rights of trans etc but also put out an add in Urdu.

Why do you think muslims don't deserve a vote like anyone else?

Labelledelune · 01/03/2026 14:08

People aren’t seeing a couple of things. This area has a high demographic of Muslim voters, it’s also been said that whole families went into the booths together which is against the law. The Green Party is all for the rights of trans etc but also put out an add in Urdu. This just doesn’t make sense to me. They also want to legalise ‘A’ class drugs, but they don’t yet even seem to have a mandate.

ilovesooty · 01/03/2026 12:59

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:06

I see you are implying I have far right views. What would they be out of interest? Do answer with due regard that the Overton Window may have shifted.

Oh come on. You always defend the government. Why are you turning now? The cock is about to crow three times...

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Are you able to debate without getting personal? FWIW I've seen the views you've expressed and I see nothing untoward in what's been said to you.

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DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 01/03/2026 12:56

ForQuirkyFawn · 01/03/2026 12:53

Reform are the return of Thatcherism...for the 21st century...

Honestly if that's the case, bring it on! Sounds incredibly refreshing tbh.

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ForQuirkyFawn · 01/03/2026 12:53

Reform are the return of Thatcherism...for the 21st century...

ForQuirkyFawn · 01/03/2026 12:51

Yes, I understand your point, but there has always been different strains of conservatism, from One nation tories, Macmillan, Rab Butler etc, or the wets as Maggie would call them to, Powellism that evolved into Keith Joseph in the 70s to Maggie in the 80s, David Cameron would have been at home in a Macmillan govt, he was in the background of John Majors govt, Johnson, May, Sunak, I've left Truss out, god know where she was from, used to be a young lib dem, but my point holds what strain of toryism??

Wakethefuckup · 01/03/2026 11:55

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:41

"I have views that are left of yours - which, to be fair, isn’t difficult". If you weren't trying to imply I have far right views the last half of your sentence would be superfluous.

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They just love the "far right" slur

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:41

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 11:17

I don’t always defend the government and my views are undeniably left of yours, where did I imply yours are far right? Maybe you could stop with the personal attacks and slurs and stick to the issues? This must be intensely boring for other posters.

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"I have views that are left of yours - which, to be fair, isn’t difficult". If you weren't trying to imply I have far right views the last half of your sentence would be superfluous.

Freud2 · 01/03/2026 11:37

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 09:10

The problem is the last few Conservative governments weren't really Conservative, more Lib Dem light (due to the effects of the Coalition probably, which is a lesson for Reform). So we can't really judge what a real "Conservative" government would be from recent conservative governments. If you see what I mean.

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I agree - I think this is why the Conservative party didn't deliver - it wasn't Conservative enough. I like Kemi Badenoch and if I could be convinced she was tough enough to carry through difficult policies I.e. reducing immigration and our out of control benefit system I might go back to them.

SundayBells · 01/03/2026 11:31

Pineneedlesincarpet · 28/02/2026 12:00

What's wrong with that? Nice to have a bit of patriotism. Labour used to be a patriotic party too.

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There's more to patriotism than spending tens of thousands of public money on Chinese nylon.

Tikitaka20 · 01/03/2026 11:18

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:06

I see you are implying I have far right views. What would they be out of interest? Do answer with due regard that the Overton Window may have shifted.

Oh come on. You always defend the government. Why are you turning now? The cock is about to crow three times...

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I don’t think Blossomtoes is implying you have far right views - just that you have right wing views.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 11:17

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:06

I see you are implying I have far right views. What would they be out of interest? Do answer with due regard that the Overton Window may have shifted.

Oh come on. You always defend the government. Why are you turning now? The cock is about to crow three times...

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I don’t always defend the government and my views are undeniably left of yours, where did I imply yours are far right? Maybe you could stop with the personal attacks and slurs and stick to the issues? This must be intensely boring for other posters.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:06

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 11:04

Still not correct. I’ve criticised this government plenty. There’s no need to put a label on me, I have views that are left of yours - which, to be fair, isn’t difficult.

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I see you are implying I have far right views. What would they be out of interest? Do answer with due regard that the Overton Window may have shifted.

Oh come on. You always defend the government. Why are you turning now? The cock is about to crow three times...

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:04

LlynTegid · 01/03/2026 10:29

Just read what is in the public domain about Robert Jenrick should be enough. Politics would be better if he retired as an MP and did something else. He is not nicknamed 'Honest Bob' because of his integrity and previous actions.

As for the woman who was named Sue Ellen by her parents, someone who fails basic IT security with government documents is not someone I ever want in government again.

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The left wing spin machine still turns of course. But presumably by now most sensible people question what it churns out.

It would be brilliant if basic IT security issues would be the main charge against the current government, I suppose.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 11:04

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:01

Apologies.
May I correct that to "As a historic stalwart defender of the Labour Party on MN. "?

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Still not correct. I’ve criticised this government plenty. There’s no need to put a label on me, I have views that are left of yours - which, to be fair, isn’t difficult.

Pineneedlesincarpet · 01/03/2026 11:01

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 10:21

I’m not a Labour supporter. HTH.

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Apologies.
May I correct that to "As a historic stalwart defender of the Labour Party on MN. "?

Wakethefuckup · 01/03/2026 10:59

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 10:36

Which Labour MPs have defected to another party?

I don’t think the likes of Jenrick and Braverman have changed their views at all. They’re just emboldened to be more open about them in their new party.

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I never said any had.

HelloDenise · 01/03/2026 10:58

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 28/02/2026 07:34

Why wont they, have you a crystal ball?

Because they are as mad as a box of frogs (and by the way they have completely forgotten about the frogs at this point).

You also quoted my OP right after the OP. Why would you do that? 🤣

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I saw a post somewhere, I don't think it was on Mumsnet, saying they'll not get in because they are not capable of being in charge of a packet of crisps never mind the country.

ilovesooty · 01/03/2026 10:55

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 09:20

They were plenty bad enough for a lot of us to decide we don’t want a government consisting of the worst of its members. None of the defectors would have even been selected to stand for election in Thatcher or Major’s government where a modicum of decency and integrity was required.

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Exactly. Boris Johnson purged the party of decent Conservatives.

BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 10:36

Wakethefuckup · 01/03/2026 10:32

Labour do that all the time.

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Which Labour MPs have defected to another party?

I don’t think the likes of Jenrick and Braverman have changed their views at all. They’re just emboldened to be more open about them in their new party.

Wakethefuckup · 01/03/2026 10:32

Alexandra2001 · 01/03/2026 10:29

You mean a party that gives them a better chance of power?

All the recent Tory defectors have changed their views, some rather dramatically.

There is nothing decent about that.

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Labour do that all the time.