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To think that everyone is getting far too excited about this Green win?

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DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 28/02/2026 07:18

All this fuss about one Green win - I really don't think it's massively significant given the local demographic and the upcoming local elections will be the real test.

As if the Greens are going to get anywhere near power! Not going to happen.

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persephonia · 03/03/2026 20:10

ForQuirkyFawn · 03/03/2026 13:02

Some good points made, other things to throw in the mix is the start up of other parties on the right, diluting the vote, and the novelty is wearing off reform, check out some recent polls, I think they have made several political errors recently...

Diluting the vote is possibly going to be a problem. I thought it would be in Gorton and Denton but Advance UK got less votes than the Monster Raving Loonies so I was wrong.

ForQuirkyFawn · 03/03/2026 13:02

Some good points made, other things to throw in the mix is the start up of other parties on the right, diluting the vote, and the novelty is wearing off reform, check out some recent polls, I think they have made several political errors recently...

ForQuirkyFawn · 03/03/2026 12:57

I think i would look quite cute in a burka....

persephonia · 03/03/2026 12:49

EasternStandard · 03/03/2026 12:39

They are shifting to Reform. If you look at electoral analysis it shows where the votes are going ftom
Labour in each council by-election.

Not all are, but most are shedding from Labour to Reform.

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Yes, my point is that was a pattern and I don't think Reform were wrong to infer that it would translate into a Labour to Reform shift at the By-election. It didn't and that's why it's interesting. Whether this was a one off (Godwin is I think less likeable than Spencer) or the start of a new trend remains to be seen. But its significant because it breaks an emerging pattern and creates a new narrative.

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 12:43

EasternStandard · 03/03/2026 12:39

They are shifting to Reform. If you look at electoral analysis it shows where the votes are going ftom
Labour in each council by-election.

Not all are, but most are shedding from Labour to Reform.

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But they’re not in G&D - the evidence is there right in front of your eyes.

And the polls show the Tories’ share of the vote shrinking far more than any other party, that where the Reform support is coming from.

EasternStandard · 03/03/2026 12:39

persephonia · 03/03/2026 12:34

Yeah, the big thing about the demographics of the area is it's full of your "traditional working class disaffected Labour" voters. They are the people who are supposed to be shifting to Reform. But even though Reform threw everything they had at the election they didn't really win those votes. It does look the majority of Tory voters shifted to them. And likely some from Labour but not enough to make a difference. Instead there was a big shift from Labour to the Greens.
Reform are blaming "the Muslim vote" for their loss but if anything I think Muslims voters (not a solid block) had more impact on Labours loss to the Greens than Reforms loss. If you want to break things down into crude demographics Reform lost because they didn't get enough white working class votes in an area with a very large white working class population. And that is embarrassing for them so I can see why they are trying to deflect.

I don't think you can assume it will transfer over into a Green success in the GE. It's too early to say. It does make the Greens look viable as a potential option in contested areas though so it's definitely a boost for them.

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They are shifting to Reform. If you look at electoral analysis it shows where the votes are going ftom
Labour in each council by-election.

Not all are, but most are shedding from Labour to Reform.

persephonia · 03/03/2026 12:34

DangerQuakeRhinoSnake · 28/02/2026 07:36

I agree, yet listening to the media, you wouldn't realise this.

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Yeah, the big thing about the demographics of the area is it's full of your "traditional working class disaffected Labour" voters. They are the people who are supposed to be shifting to Reform. But even though Reform threw everything they had at the election they didn't really win those votes. It does look the majority of Tory voters shifted to them. And likely some from Labour but not enough to make a difference. Instead there was a big shift from Labour to the Greens.
Reform are blaming "the Muslim vote" for their loss but if anything I think Muslims voters (not a solid block) had more impact on Labours loss to the Greens than Reforms loss. If you want to break things down into crude demographics Reform lost because they didn't get enough white working class votes in an area with a very large white working class population. And that is embarrassing for them so I can see why they are trying to deflect.

I don't think you can assume it will transfer over into a Green success in the GE. It's too early to say. It does make the Greens look viable as a potential option in contested areas though so it's definitely a boost for them.

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 12:28

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 11:50

Clearly never set foot in Luton. Or probably out your own front door lately.

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On the contrary, I step outside my front door every day, visit London at least once a month and was on holiday in the north last week. Maybe you don’t leave Luton very often?

ilovesooty · 03/03/2026 12:20

And local elections are not necessarily indicative of general election voting intention.

ilovesooty · 03/03/2026 12:17

TalkToTheHand123 · 03/03/2026 07:54

I presume you are Muslim as with Greens in power, there will be mosques on every street and first language will now be Arabic.

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Hyperbole.

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 11:50

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 09:37

Polling isn’t voting. As you saw last week. The number of people who would vote “anything but Reform” significantly outweighs the number who would vote for them. Hyperbole from sore losers cuts no ice.

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Clearly never set foot in Luton. Or probably out your own front door lately.

EasternStandard · 03/03/2026 09:45

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 09:01

Nor does anyone else? Why do you think Reform is polling so high?

Are you so blinded to think our Liberty and democracy cannot be lost?

I live in Luton.......a town that over the last few decades has transformed from the Town I grew up in.

This "hyperbolic nonsense " is real and is already here.

Your dismissive attitude to women is deplorable.....yet typical of the left.

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The local elections will be more instructive. We’ll see then how each do. Not all areas were Labour for 100 years and not all will have the same demographics as G&D.

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 09:37

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 09:01

Nor does anyone else? Why do you think Reform is polling so high?

Are you so blinded to think our Liberty and democracy cannot be lost?

I live in Luton.......a town that over the last few decades has transformed from the Town I grew up in.

This "hyperbolic nonsense " is real and is already here.

Your dismissive attitude to women is deplorable.....yet typical of the left.

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Polling isn’t voting. As you saw last week. The number of people who would vote “anything but Reform” significantly outweighs the number who would vote for them. Hyperbole from sore losers cuts no ice.

GETTINGLIKEMYMOTHER · 03/03/2026 09:16

Pineneedlesincarpet · 28/02/2026 08:00

Not sure the New Greens form of politics can be described as "progressive". Sectarian politics is a regressive step, surely.

Anyway eventually they must be found out. Their policies of legalising drugs and prostitution is contradictory with the religious views of the Muslim vote on which they rely. Im not sure all the voters knew what they were voting for...

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I dare say a lot of them thought they were voting for Gaza.

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 09:01

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 08:49

Of course I don’t see it. Nor does anyone else. I can’t take this hyperbolic nonsense seriously, if I didn’t laugh I’d cry.

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Nor does anyone else? Why do you think Reform is polling so high?

Are you so blinded to think our Liberty and democracy cannot be lost?

I live in Luton.......a town that over the last few decades has transformed from the Town I grew up in.

This "hyperbolic nonsense " is real and is already here.

Your dismissive attitude to women is deplorable.....yet typical of the left.

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BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 08:49

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 08:03

Do you really not see it?

Edit to add: Also given there are many women who are forced to wear it..its hardly something to laugh about, is it?

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Of course I don’t see it. Nor does anyone else. I can’t take this hyperbolic nonsense seriously, if I didn’t laugh I’d cry.

Whebasd · 03/03/2026 08:12

The Green Party is a strange mix of tree huggers, trans people and terrorists. I don’t understand what any of them have in common apart from being marginalised.

One thing’s for sure is if the extremist Muslims get their way and control the tree huggers and the trans people particularly will be destroyed.

Wakethefuckup · 03/03/2026 08:03

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 07:57

We’ll all be forced to wear burqas! 😂

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Do you really not see it?

Edit to add: Also given there are many women who are forced to wear it..its hardly something to laugh about, is it?

BIossomtoes · 03/03/2026 07:57

TalkToTheHand123 · 03/03/2026 07:54

I presume you are Muslim as with Greens in power, there will be mosques on every street and first language will now be Arabic.

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We’ll all be forced to wear burqas! 😂

TalkToTheHand123 · 03/03/2026 07:54

sleepwouldbenice · 02/03/2026 02:56

I am enjoying watching reform get a taste of their own medicine
Its not my style of politics but it amuses

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I presume you are Muslim as with Greens in power, there will be mosques on every street and first language will now be Arabic.

sleepwouldbenice · 03/03/2026 03:24

Whatifitallgoesright · 02/03/2026 07:54

A bias source certainly but not necessarily unreliable. It's all factually correct.

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In your own time. Prove it

BIossomtoes · 02/03/2026 14:28

Whatifitallgoesright · 02/03/2026 12:10

Which particular fact?

All of them.

Lolalady · 02/03/2026 13:38

I think the Green Party member who won actually spoke a lot of common sense and actually seems quite normal. However the party policies would worry me, particularly a Green Party member encouraging her grandchildren to send Valentine cards to asylum
seekers!

Whatifitallgoesright · 02/03/2026 12:10

Which particular fact?

BIossomtoes · 02/03/2026 09:04

Whatifitallgoesright · 02/03/2026 08:49

Evidence of what?

The “facts” you referred to.

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