'Being Gordon Ramsay' featuring dead pig!

#Omnivorepower.

I think it's funny, the way some vegans attempt to be passive aggressively insulting, and then pretend that oh no, they aren't! They're just being accurate!

So yes, consider this your patronising dressing down. Call omnivores what you like, but you sound like an angry teenager.

That one's been going for at least 40 years. Pretty much since it became popular for Vegan campaigning to rely upon mostly naked young women and phraseology firmly rooted in sex/misogyny.

Thank you for telling me what you think I am 'trying' to be/achieve. Your opening comment about 'teen angst' is bizarre.

I don't perceive the label 'necrovore' to be provocative or offensive, just accurate! Language does evolve and the lexicon expands to include new words.

I use 'corpse muncher' too. That one meet your approval or am I going to receive another patronising dressing down?

Yes, that's what I recall.

Yes I think normally the eyes just cook up to a sort of crispy skin like the rest!

The one time that I saw a suckling pig I don't recall being aware of empty eye sockets on the roasted animal, so I wonder whether - on the tv show - the flowers were put there for presentation purposes for some weird reason?

So did I.

Early in this thread I posted that I think it is healthy that we associate the meat we eat with the whole animal BUT I have to hand the op a small token of support as I have now watched the episode she refers to and, while my view is unchanged, I did have a small recoil on seeing the pig, especially as they had stuffed fresh flowers in its eye sockets.

I realise that was probably to obscure what were likely quite unsightly sockets, and that having it "look" at you might be extra distressing for some. But somehow the gesture made the poor thing faintly comical and particularly prone or vulnerable in the sense that it looked blindfolded.

I'm not sure what the answer to the eye sockets is, and I still think confronting the reality of what we eat is no bad thing, but I did see where OP was coming from.

But a sizeable portion of meat eaters turn up their nose at certain meals specifically not because of the taste but because that the way it is presented causes an emotional reaction - similar to the OP's.

Generally not an issue with fruits and vegetables...

Not all vegans eat all vegetables or fruits due to personal preferences nor do all meat eaters eat all meat also due to personal preferences there is no difference

These aren't my opinions, they're the results of studies of meat-eaters, and what they are or are not prepared to eat, based on presentation.

Note that if 40-45% of meat eaters wouldn't eat a fully intact suckling pig - because they say it triggers empathy/disgust feelings - that still means 55-60% would not be put off.

You being untroubled puts you in the "not put off" bucket. You feeling one way does not mean that everyone else does.

As I tried to indicate above, it might be brutal but sometimes piglets are slaughtered early because the sow can't sustain the full litter - the average is apparently 10 to 12.

Certainly, there seemed to be a great many the one time I saw a sow farrowing.

I don't need to know how they are killed, I don't eat them so no point upsetting myself for nothing. It's the meat eaters that ought to look it up.

What difference does it make just when an animal is slaughtered for food?

I just think it's a waste. If you're going to eat meat fine, but at least make it sustainable and try and treat the animal well beforehand. Or do you not think humans should try to do things in the most ethical and sustainable way possible? I think you'd understand the difference if you lived in a starving village and one grown pig could feed the entire population but someone said "lets kill it at 2 weeks old because me and my mates would prefer to have a delicacy, the rest of you can starve".

Yes, they are bred to be eaten, surprised you didn't know this.

Also, Poussin, veal, cabrito, lamb etc.

Lamb tastes different to mutton and that applies to most meat.

Just as baby potatoes or baby carrots taste differently to full grown ones.
Just depends on what you fancy.

What a load of rubbish.

The only though i have is that i cant wait to eat it.
Looking like an animal doesnt bother me either.

killed (probably very inhumanely)

Stop being unnecessarily dramatic. You have no idea, do you, how they're slaughtered?

And @Franpie is right. What difference does it make just when an animal is slaughtered for food? Does it make it less cruel to let an animal live for longer? Why is more cruel to kill it earlier in its life?

@Franpie So a baby animal just exists for a couple weeks and then is ripped away from it's mother and killed (probably very inhumanely) just to give meat eaters a nice taste for a few mins? At least if it was several months old it would feed more people.

A whole pig generally feeds between 50 and 200+ people, depending on the size of the hog and whether it is served as sandwiches or a plated meal. A small 30-40kg hog serves 50-80 guests, while a large 70-80kg hog can feed 150-200+ guests.

Taste Tradition Rare Breed Suckling Pig, 8-12kg (Serves 8-12 people)

What an absolute waste in so many ways.

Suckling pig because it’s not been weaned off milk.

Apparently this means that the meat is more tender and contains less fat.

Look, you don’t like eating animals, I get it. But it makes no difference whether we eat a pig that’s a couple of weeks old or a few months old. They have been bred for the slaughterhouse.

This is why I hate people.

@Franpie then why call it "suckling pig"? just the name makes me want to gag.

Is it meant to be some sort of brag for meat eaters that it's not just a pig that got to live for a few months but it's not even off it's mothers' milk yet?

How old do you think most pigs reared for slaughter are?

The typical age that pigs are slaughtered is around 6 months old.

All pigs we eat are “baby” pigs.

You are not making any sense.

I'm starting to wonder if this entire thread is a spoof of "Lisa The Vegetarian", to be honest.

OP, get a grip. I was vegetarian for most of my life, and even I think you're being insufferable.

I am vegetarian but I'm not going to tell other people what they can or can't eat

Oh, come off it. This thread is an attempt to do just that! You feel this is "unnecessary", "vile", "depraved", "obscene" and all the rest of it, but you know you can't just say "I don't want to see that". Because if you did, people would quite rightly tell you to stick to vegetarian restaurants, then.

All this faux concern about what the average meat eater is comfortable seeing on their plate 🙄. Isn't that their problem? They can deal with their own feelings and start their own Mumsnet threads, if they want. I don't see what any of it has to do with you. Your argument seems to be that you want them to be able to eat meat without thinking too hard about where it comes from. Which is a bit bizarre if you're vegetarian for moral reasons. It's not cruel conditions or the death of the animal you're objecting to - it's purely the presentation.

Are you the sort of "vegetarian" who sneaks a hamburger from time to time and would prefer not to think about where it comes from? Is that why this has touched a nerve? Your business if so, but surely there's a better way to work through your feelings. There's an episode of The Simpsons about this very thing!

Then don’t go to that restaurant.

No different to eating chicken or lamb.