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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 11:35

Alleged breaches which cannot be proved so we have to take their word for it. When the polling clerks, whose word is equally valid, say it didn’t happen. It’s a bloody good thing they’re volunteers and we’re not wasting money on them.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/02/2026 11:32

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 11:19

That’s what they do, it throws no light on what they contribute. What difference do they make?

By doing what they did now and by highlighting breaches at the ballot box.

Everyone who is entitled to vote has the right to vote independently, according to their belief. Coercing has no place in democracy.

ManukaMoneyMaker · 28/02/2026 11:31

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:16

You can't just change the law and solve the problem!

If the government could, why wouldn't they have done to already?

Think about it.

#6thFormPolitics.

The government absolutely can change the law to clamp down on tax avoidance. Or is a House of Commons briefing paper too 6th form for you to consider? https://researchbriefings.files.parliament.uk/documents/SN02956/SN02956.pdf

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 11:30

hulahoopingtoday · 28/02/2026 11:13

The law needs changing. It's disgusting the amount of mega corporations who register for tax elsewhere then bleed the country dry. THIS is definitely a major reason that the NHS and other public services are struggling and billionaires get richer by the day. Shameful.

This isn't like a typical business - costs & revenue of running infrastructure are global. Ireland hosts most of the companies that service the UK so the revenue and tax goes there. When you consent to use Amazon you are using processing services across Europe, not just the UK. It's fulfillment that is local, hence the distribution centres that do pay business rates, which ultimately gets passed on to consumers..i.e you and me.

You can't legislate to force companies to run in the UK. That's why it hasn't been done by any party, including Labour.

Tech and Globalisation has changed taxation and the UK didn't/hasn't caught up .

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 11:27

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BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 11:19

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/02/2026 11:04

By being independent observers, that's how.

That’s what they do, it throws no light on what they contribute. What difference do they make?

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 11:16

hulahoopingtoday · 28/02/2026 11:13

The law needs changing. It's disgusting the amount of mega corporations who register for tax elsewhere then bleed the country dry. THIS is definitely a major reason that the NHS and other public services are struggling and billionaires get richer by the day. Shameful.

You can't just change the law and solve the problem!

If the government could, why wouldn't they have done to already?

Think about it.

#6thFormPolitics.

scottishgirl69 · 28/02/2026 11:15

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 11:10

Amazon adhere's to the law and are audited as legally required. They do pay tax, business rates, employee NI etc. It's easy to roll out the solution "if we just taxed Amazon more then the NHS wouldn't be suffering".

Go read some studies about how they treat their staff

TopPocketFind · 28/02/2026 11:14

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 10:34

Hence why Greens won’t do well in areas with normal British citizens who aren’t obsessed with Gaza and a particular religion.

Normal British citizens?

hulahoopingtoday · 28/02/2026 11:13

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 11:10

Amazon adhere's to the law and are audited as legally required. They do pay tax, business rates, employee NI etc. It's easy to roll out the solution "if we just taxed Amazon more then the NHS wouldn't be suffering".

The law needs changing. It's disgusting the amount of mega corporations who register for tax elsewhere then bleed the country dry. THIS is definitely a major reason that the NHS and other public services are struggling and billionaires get richer by the day. Shameful.

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 11:10

ManukaMoneyMaker · 28/02/2026 09:20

Don't use Meta, do use Amazon occassionally, and do believe both should adhere to UK law.

Amazon adhere's to the law and are audited as legally required. They do pay tax, business rates, employee NI etc. It's easy to roll out the solution "if we just taxed Amazon more then the NHS wouldn't be suffering".

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/02/2026 11:04

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 10:31

How? When they have no powers and aren’t required to produce any evidence? What do they add to the democratic process?

By being independent observers, that's how.

charliehungerford · 28/02/2026 10:49

HappyFace2025 · 28/02/2026 10:00

And you think police aren't biased?!

In what way are individual police officers biased? I’ve known loads and they came from all political sides, generally they just want to do their job, I don’t think you’d last long if every interaction with the public was based on your like/dislike or the political considerations of the individual you’re dealing with.

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 10:41

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 10:34

Hence why Greens won’t do well in areas with normal British citizens who aren’t obsessed with Gaza and a particular religion.

The Greens will do well anywhere with a young demographic and/or where they’re best placed to beat Reform. Lessons have been learnt about what tactical voting can achieve.

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 10:34

TopPocketFind · 28/02/2026 10:28

In local elections, people vote for their own 'bubbles'

Hence why Greens won’t do well in areas with normal British citizens who aren’t obsessed with Gaza and a particular religion.

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 10:33

I should add ..we look at the USA and say "how are the Americans so stupid to vote in Trump" but the UK voters are doing the same...Farage and the Greens.

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 10:31

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/02/2026 10:26

They don't need to justify their existence.

They are well established and well respected in the UK and abroad. They are an intrinsic part of the democratic process.

How? When they have no powers and aren’t required to produce any evidence? What do they add to the democratic process?

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 10:29

@BlueJuniper94 I really wish I knew! Even if the UK had a strategy in the last decade (not sure they did) it would have been blown off course by COVID, China aggression and Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Trump was elected because the blue collar workers in the USA lost jobs, aka UK redwall (so charismatic right wing leader got in). Mamdani got voted in because living costs too high, therefore socialism/communism required = UK Greens vote.

The UK government needs super bright individuals who can stay the course and execute a strategy.Farage and Polanski definitely don't fit the brief!

Increasing the UK population through immigration however isn't the answer. We have to encourage growth in the new areas, such as AI. Why can't the UK produce Google type companies? It isn't for lack of talent but because there isn't the focus helping the start ups.

A UK CEO of a start up had to go to the US to grow. His company wants to come back but he is telling Kier that many of our universities are not generating the right skills in AI. Too few courses are focussed correctly - cut the useless courses (that exist for bums on seats) and give the funding to the right courses.

Construction is UK based therefore UK taxation, so focus on generating homegrown skills in that area..don't rely on immigration.

Defence is a sector that needs investment, it is UK focussed. No one likes conflict but we have to be realistic.

Encourage hospitality - enable youngsters to work from 16, part time, without the rigourous employment challenges on companies. This creates the culture of work. I'm shocked by how difficult it is to hire Saturday workers (so called in my day)

TopPocketFind · 28/02/2026 10:28

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 10:24

Yep, they don’t give a shit about the state of the UK. Only their own bubbles.

The local elections in May and the GE will give a better picture of what the true British public actually want for their country

In local elections, people vote for their own 'bubbles'

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 28/02/2026 10:26

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 10:17

No, I think they’re attempting to justify their existence. That has no bearing on bias or the lack thereof.

They don't need to justify their existence.

They are well established and well respected in the UK and abroad. They are an intrinsic part of the democratic process.

Biskitteef · 28/02/2026 10:24

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:36

I must admit I am depressed. Have people not looked at the Greens’ policies?

And the win yesterday - it was on Gaza. I can’t imagine any Muslim voter being in favour of any Green policy except one.

It’s all bizarre.

Yep, they don’t give a shit about the state of the UK. Only their own bubbles.

The local elections in May and the GE will give a better picture of what the true British public actually want for their country

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 10:17

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 10:09

Actually in your post of 22:47 from yesterday, when I asked:

"Do you think that Democracy Volunteers made up these allegations of "family voting""

You replied:

"Yes I do"

So clearly you DO think that Democracy are biased or "not neutral"

As I said this is clearly looking like tin foil hat conspiracy theory to me and what's more inconsistent tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

No, I think they’re attempting to justify their existence. That has no bearing on bias or the lack thereof.

RedToothBrush · 28/02/2026 10:14

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 10:02

Well for a starter one solution would be minimum corporation taxes- so that companies didn't shop around trying to base their operations and book their profits in the country with the lowest corporation tax.

After Amazon booked its EU profits out of Luxembourg for this reason, the EU tried to bring in such a minimum corporation tax. However it failed when Ireland completely ignored it and their economy was massively boosted from multinationals booking their EU profits there.

Why do you think UKIP wanted to leave the EU.

The Brexit vote happened right before legislation in this area was about to come in which would have started a coordinated strategy by European countries on large multi national corporate with closer scrutiny on tax avoidance.

Brexit completely unhinged the whole attempt and further legislation end up in the bin due to a breakdown in coordination which was required by the UK and EU partner governments to stop them being played off against each other or held hostage by multi nationals.

The problem with the greens is diplomatically they are a car crash waiting to happen in terms of international cooperation and an inability to compromise. Cos if they try to they instantly become the LDs in 2010 on student loans. And they won't get anywhere because they aren't pragmatic they are ideologically driven.

It's back to a face off akin to Theresa May trying to deal with the EU. The answer is no. Cos it has to be mutually beneficial.

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 10:09

BIossomtoes · 28/02/2026 09:50

I didn’t say they were biased or “not neutral”. I questioned what the point of them is when they appear to have zero powers and zero ability to back their claims with evidence. It would make total sense to replace them with a police officer in every polling station. The blind faith in a bunch of impotent volunteers is touching.

Actually in your post of 22:47 from yesterday, when I asked:

"Do you think that Democracy Volunteers made up these allegations of "family voting""

You replied:

"Yes I do"

So clearly you DO think that Democracy are biased or "not neutral"

As I said this is clearly looking like tin foil hat conspiracy theory to me and what's more inconsistent tin foil hat conspiracy theory.

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 10:02

BlueJuniper94 · 28/02/2026 09:25

What are the solutions

Well for a starter one solution would be minimum corporation taxes- so that companies didn't shop around trying to base their operations and book their profits in the country with the lowest corporation tax.

After Amazon booked its EU profits out of Luxembourg for this reason, the EU tried to bring in such a minimum corporation tax. However it failed when Ireland completely ignored it and their economy was massively boosted from multinationals booking their EU profits there.

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