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This country is doomed

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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ManukaMoneyMaker · 27/02/2026 09:52

I'm old enough to remember the days during New Labour where everyone complained that all the parties were the same, everyone sitting just left or right of centre, and so what was the point of voting.
Now we have the opposite, radical differences between parties, and it's seen as the end of the UK!

Mangelwurzelfortea · 27/02/2026 09:52

BunfightBetty · 27/02/2026 09:47

And yet - as an example - I can't imagine anyone winning a seat by standing on a platform and making their campaign all about standing up for persecuted Christians in a far off land. And that being more important to voters than the cost of living crisis or the dire state of the NHS.

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That's because Islam is at a different stage in its evolution than Christianity. It's a younger religion. We were still fighting religious wars 500 years ago and if we'd been a democracy then (we weren't) then probably it would have helped win or lose some votes.

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 09:51

randomchap · 27/02/2026 09:40

That's a very loaded phrase

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-hating_Jew

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I stand by my comment about Polanski.

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nomas · 27/02/2026 09:50

Stick0rTwist · 27/02/2026 09:47

And you need to wake up @nomas and open you eyes to what’s going on

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What is going on? Are Muslims taking over the country or did they eat your hamster?

JonesTown · 27/02/2026 09:50

Interesting that so many on the left are dismissing these family voting allegations as unimportant.

Is it a good thing to move towards a position where women are instructed how to vote by their husbands?

Missohnoyoubetterdont · 27/02/2026 09:50

I’m excited. We need change. Zack is honest and refreshing and not scared of debate. Breath of fresh air.

BunfightBetty · 27/02/2026 09:49

Sartre · 27/02/2026 09:36

Yes, a classic antisemitic party with a Jewish leader.

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You think that means they can't be anti-semitic?!

Open your eyes and ears.

Mangelwurzelfortea · 27/02/2026 09:49

Can this not turn into yet another thread where everyone gets accused of antisemitism?

Clubbiscuit · 27/02/2026 09:49

I’m from that area. Everyone I know (lefties) was prevaricating between Labour and Green up until the last minute to keep Reform out. It was all about Reform really. And I’m so, so glad that we kept Mr Eugenics out. It’s a good day for us here (and I’m in the LP).

Missohnoyoubetterdont · 27/02/2026 09:49

I have never read such a load of crap. Polanski is a self-hating Jew? WTF Did you run out of insults to throw at him or are you just living your life in a Daily Mail echo chamber. If you have a valid reason to dislike him, fair enough but that’s desperate.

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 09:48

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 09:42

@HappyFace2025

Nobody has said that

ahem...

If you want to live under a militant Islamic regime, knock yourselves out and vote Green

Must have missed that post. I don't agree with it but perhaps I am being naive.
And there was no need for you to shout!

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Stick0rTwist · 27/02/2026 09:47

nomas · 27/02/2026 09:12

Seriously, this Islamophobia needs to stop.

This race baiting of Muslims as robots who only think of Gaza is idiotic and damaging.

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And you need to wake up @nomas and open you eyes to what’s going on

BunfightBetty · 27/02/2026 09:47

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 09:30

As many as five MPs in the last GE won their seats by their Gaza stance. Five. I have never heard of the MP for Harehills.

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And yet - as an example - I can't imagine anyone winning a seat by standing on a platform and making their campaign all about standing up for persecuted Christians in a far off land. And that being more important to voters than the cost of living crisis or the dire state of the NHS.

WhitebaitLane · 27/02/2026 09:47

DrMorbius · 27/02/2026 09:43

This is true, but not all Muslims are the same. I worked in the Middle East for 20 years and they cannot believe what we are allowing in the UK. Hence the UAE no longer allowing students to attend UK universities. A serious state sanctioned action that seems largely ignored by the media.

Its true that not all Muslims think the same way. But there are certain groups largely non ME culture that think certain ways, Gaza etc. Ignoring this fact is why the UK is doomed. Stopping people discussing this is definitely a tactic.

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Yep.

He who doesn’t listen shall feel, as they say. I wonder how this will all play out.

Ohyeahitsme · 27/02/2026 09:46

It was a vote to keep reform out. And it worked, thank God.

Ohfuckrucksack · 27/02/2026 09:46

Political leaders can certainly lead a party that works against their own background, -many historical leaders come from wealthy families and worked for the benefit of the poor.

Polanski is populist so will pretzel to fit popular causes and issues.

BoxingHare · 27/02/2026 09:46

Sa11yCinnamon · 27/02/2026 09:37

Their leader is Jewish and they're antisemitic?

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He'll be the wrong kind of Jew.

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 09:44

Sartre · 27/02/2026 09:39

How exactly? Let me guess, because he spoke out against genocide.

My Grandma is a devout Jew and she also hates Zionism. I best go tell her she’s a ‘self hating Jew’.

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You can be Jewish and anti Zionist. Personally I don't understand how any Jewish person can be anti Zionist, more now than ever when anti semitism is more rife especially here in Britain where Jews are assimilated.
Jews need Israel. The events in Germany 100 years ago prove that. But I am digressing so back to the thread now.

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Sartre · 27/02/2026 09:43

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 09:41

I don't think you've been keeping up. Polanksi might be Jewish, doesn't stop the Greens being antisemitic.

The Greens are as dangerous as Reform.

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Except I think it kind of does though… I don’t think the Nazis would have selected Polanski as leader somehow.

DrMorbius · 27/02/2026 09:43

nomas · 27/02/2026 09:12

Seriously, this Islamophobia needs to stop.

This race baiting of Muslims as robots who only think of Gaza is idiotic and damaging.

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This is true, but not all Muslims are the same. I worked in the Middle East for 20 years and they cannot believe what we are allowing in the UK. Hence the UAE no longer allowing students to attend UK universities. A serious state sanctioned action that seems largely ignored by the media.

Its true that not all Muslims think the same way. But there are certain groups largely non ME culture that think certain ways, Gaza etc. Ignoring this fact is why the UK is doomed. Stopping people discussing this is definitely a tactic.

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 09:42

@HappyFace2025

Nobody has said that

ahem...

If you want to live under a militant Islamic regime, knock yourselves out and vote Green

TopPocketFind · 27/02/2026 09:42

FiveMetresUp · 27/02/2026 09:38

The Greens… aren’t they just about trans people and Muslims these days?

Are they?

Do you think these people don't matter then?

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 09:41

Sa11yCinnamon · 27/02/2026 09:37

Their leader is Jewish and they're antisemitic?

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I don't think you've been keeping up. Polanksi might be Jewish, doesn't stop the Greens being antisemitic.

The Greens are as dangerous as Reform.

Dweetfidilove · 27/02/2026 09:41

BlueJuniper94 · 27/02/2026 09:34

Didn't think so. Shame. It would have done me good to be proven wrong.

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WTH are you on about? You said nothing to be proven wrong or right.

The poster mentioned Britain becoming a militant Islamic regime under Green, which I find laughable.

You then @ me to ask which Islamist regime cares about minority rights. Well, given Britain is not about to become amd Islamic regime and I'm not here advocating for any regime of any kind; I'm under no obligation to educate you on anything.

And for that reason, I do not need to prove you wrong or right. I didn't even engage with anything you posted, so your wrong or right is exactly your prerogative- not mine!

FOJN · 27/02/2026 09:41

I'm relieved to see that some people appreciate that the Greens and Reform are two cheeks of the same arse. They represent less compromising versions of the current two party system.

I can't be the only left leaning person who feels utterly alienated by the state of what is supposed to be left wing politics. Its concerning that people who claim to be on the left can easily see how right wing populism could slide into something more sinister but assume that everyone on the left is benevolent and never power hungry or self serving.

Reform and the Greens represent the fringe ends of the mainstream political spectrum and at the moment the wide centre is occupied almost exclusively with neoliberals. Our options are to vote for borderline extremists or continue to watch the transfer of wealth to the billionaire class.