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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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Leftieinthewild · 01/03/2026 09:37

HappyFace2025 · 01/03/2026 09:31

Unlike France, for example where you do need to speak French. I personally think that anyone wishing to become a British citizen should be able to speak English.

And if they live in a party of Britain where English isn't spoken?

HappyFace2025 · 01/03/2026 09:31

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/03/2026 09:10

To be eligible to vote in the UK you need to have either be British or Irish or a Commonwealth citizen with right to remain. There is no English language test.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk/general-election

Unlike France, for example where you do need to speak French. I personally think that anyone wishing to become a British citizen should be able to speak English.

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BIossomtoes · 01/03/2026 09:29

FGM is not a religious practice nor is it associated with Islam. Shame on you.

Imdunfer · 01/03/2026 09:17

Alternativelyviewed · 28/02/2026 17:25

If this "family voting " is true, ie male family members telling the women how to vote doesn't anyone else think we have far deeper issues ?

I cannot fathom telling my two DC.how to vote or trying to!
One has just turned 18 and it's exciting to me that she has this right . I also wouldnt ask.her who she voted for and wouldn't care .

Your own family with western liberal values had little to offer you in terms of insight into voting into some not all of the Islamic areas of the country. You haven't, after all, shipped them abroad for FGM or forced marriage, for which there have been recent convictions.

In very traditional Moslem areas there is a strong risk that men will be told how to vote by the Imam and the women told how to vote by the men. Whilst this would be illegal, so is FGM and forced marriage, yet it still goes on. You would then have one man exercising huge influence over who gets elected, from a religious basis in a secular country. This stuff matters for democracy. One person one vote secret ballots are a foundation stone of a civilised society.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/03/2026 09:10

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 17:50

Don’t you have to have a level of English to get citizenship and therefore the right to vote?

To be eligible to vote in the UK you need to have either be British or Irish or a Commonwealth citizen with right to remain. There is no English language test.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk/general-election

Types of election, referendums, and who can vote

Find out more about elections and referendums in the UK, including the general election, check who can vote in each election and how voting works.

https://www.gov.uk/elections-in-the-uk/general-election

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/03/2026 09:02

ZoeCM · 28/02/2026 20:41

But surely if the volunteers had just seen families turning up at the station to vote, they wouldn't even have mentioned it? It's not remotely unusual for family members over eighteen to go to the polling station together.

It's not remotely unusual for family members over eighteen to chat to one another while within the polling station either but that could be interpreted as collusion or coercion. This is why it's important that their report details exactly what it is they are alleging occurred.

PrettyDamnCosmic · 01/03/2026 08:51

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 19:49

If you look at my post of 15:34, Democracy Volunteers confirmed that in some instances they made polling station staff aware of their concerns.

That is not in the report on their website. Why would they omit this crucial piece of information?

AInightingale · 01/03/2026 08:44

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 19:26

I’ll just leave this here for all you Greens fans who still think the party is still about environmental causes…

https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/2027801087877812595?s=20

This is really frightening. The party that has just won a stunning by-election victory has a deputy leader openly supporting a regime that hangs 16 year old girls for 'immorality'. Yes, it's a captured party. I wish people would wake up.

Pleasealexa · 01/03/2026 08:32

Which courses are useless - just out of interest?

The CEO said some/many Computer Science degree courses didn't have the content that reflected technology changes or practiced the languages that are most commonly used. His intention was to hire 100% UK graduates, on great salaries, but the UK universities don't produce the number of CS grads with the required skills.

My guess is that the Government won't respond, until it's too late and in the meantime companies will decide to go offshore to get the skills.Too little/too late seems to be common theme.

JuliettaCaeser · 01/03/2026 08:10

Agree with all that so much.

My fear is that actually there is not much politicians can do. I think Keir Starmer is a decent man and am sure he wants the best for the country. But everything is so global now including the economy/ tax etc. Surely if he could have fixed it he would have? That’s what scares me that the power is elsewhere and ordinary people are now very vulnerable.

Quicknamechange2025 · 01/03/2026 08:00

DavidPeckham · 27/02/2026 17:37

The basics as I see it are that both labour and conservative have failed their core voters. Neither have delivered what the centre right or centre left want and have become a jumbled mess of who knows what. Neither party has any soul. I’m very much a god king and country type but the conservatives are no longer that. Equally if you are a traditional labour voter all you’ve seen is rich Islington elites pushing trans rights and free Palestine at the expense of what matters to you trying to make ends meet day to day. Both parties have completely lost their core values and voting base, and this is why there is the huge political shift happening in this country.

So, in steps reform and the Green Party. Reform’s tactics are pretty easy to understand - sell the Britain first message and restore national pride. This will appeal to huge numbers of voters who are tired of being called racist or nazi for being concerned about large scale unchecked immigration that has seen public services and traditional communities ripped apart. They were promised that Brexit would deliver control of our borders but in reality it has achieved nothing of the sort.

And then the Green’s. I can see the strategic playbook a mile off. Align yourself with Palestine and trans rights and attract vast swathes of voters to your cause. A home for the guardianista academic types who would have traditionally voted labour married uncomfortably to at the very least conservative Islam, if not radical, and of course the woke elements of the current culture wars. Clever really. Does this voting base care about deforestation or the plight of polar bears? Some might but who really cares, the greens are tired of having no seats in parliament and this is their opportunity given the void left by the traditional Labour Party. They are debating shortly on whether Zionism should be equated with racism, and in essence supporting a single Palestinian state which will eradicate Israel and align the Green Party with the stated goals of Hamas. This motion is being tabled by Lubna Speitan a member of various pro-Palestinian groups. This is the same Hamas lest we forget who raped and slaughtered women and babies amongst others on October 7th 2023. Make no mistake that this is antisemitism dressed up with blonde hair and a green jacket.

Support who you want but do it with your eyes open.

WELL SAID!

Ohyeahitsme · 01/03/2026 00:07

Skinnysaluki · 27/02/2026 19:55

Abolishing private landlords sounds like an absolutely brilliant idea

Not doesn't. Where on earth will people live? Especially people moving areas for new jobs etc, people leaning uni, starting over after divorce and all the miriad of situations where buying is neither desirable or practical and where they wouldn't be eligible for social housing/ social housing takes too long to access.

Private landlords fulfil a necessary role.

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 23:17

Curiously quiet

EasternStandard · 28/02/2026 21:13

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 19:53

For the avoidance of doubt, the leaders of the greens are now protesting IN SUPPORT of a barbaric and radical Islamic regime that forcibly suppresses and kills women for not following strict Islamic rules, and massacres tens of thousands of its own young people for protesting.

Leftist defence incoming in 3…2…1….

How is that support justified by anyone?

Do they read what the regime has done, the mutilation and atrocities?

ZoeCM · 28/02/2026 20:41

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/02/2026 15:04

According to their report Democracy Volunteers informed elections staff at Manchester City Council about their findings only after the polls closed. They do not claim to have reported what they saw to polling station staff.

Democracy Volunteers don't report what actually happened. They just refer to "family voting" without describing exactly what this means. Is it just a family group all rocking up at the polling station together or is it multiple persons in the polling booths & apparent coercion or collusion?

https://democracyvolunteers.org/major-concerns-over-family-voting-in-gorton-and-denton-poll/

But surely if the volunteers had just seen families turning up at the station to vote, they wouldn't even have mentioned it? It's not remotely unusual for family members over eighteen to go to the polling station together.

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 20:09

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 19:53

For the avoidance of doubt, the leaders of the greens are now protesting IN SUPPORT of a barbaric and radical Islamic regime that forcibly suppresses and kills women for not following strict Islamic rules, and massacres tens of thousands of its own young people for protesting.

Leftist defence incoming in 3…2…1….

Left wing politics dating back to Marx is centred around strong v weak, rich v poor, bourgeois v proletariat. With support always going to weaker side regardless of the right and wrongs. Left wing politics is emotion based rather than logic based or heart over head.

So despite Hamas committing a horrific terrorist attack on Israel, Israel are the bad guys because they are stronger.

Russia and Ukraine is a bit easier and gets alignment from left and right. From the right Russia are the bad guys because they started it and from the left Russia are the bad guys because they are the stronger side.

In the case of the current conflict in Iran, the US are the bad guys because they are the stronger side. The fact that the Islamic regime in Tehran has been killing protesters for protesting is irrelevant to the left.

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 19:53

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 19:26

I’ll just leave this here for all you Greens fans who still think the party is still about environmental causes…

https://x.com/HeidiBachram/status/2027801087877812595?s=20

For the avoidance of doubt, the leaders of the greens are now protesting IN SUPPORT of a barbaric and radical Islamic regime that forcibly suppresses and kills women for not following strict Islamic rules, and massacres tens of thousands of its own young people for protesting.

Leftist defence incoming in 3…2…1….

1dayatatime · 28/02/2026 19:49

PrettyDamnCosmic · 28/02/2026 17:43

It's not clear what Democracy Volunteers are alleging occurred or whether they actually alerted polling station staff to potential offences. Their report makes no mention of alerting staff.

If you look at my post of 15:34, Democracy Volunteers confirmed that in some instances they made polling station staff aware of their concerns.

BlueJuniper94 · 28/02/2026 19:36

Pleasealexa · 28/02/2026 10:29

@BlueJuniper94 I really wish I knew! Even if the UK had a strategy in the last decade (not sure they did) it would have been blown off course by COVID, China aggression and Russian invasion of Ukraine.

Trump was elected because the blue collar workers in the USA lost jobs, aka UK redwall (so charismatic right wing leader got in). Mamdani got voted in because living costs too high, therefore socialism/communism required = UK Greens vote.

The UK government needs super bright individuals who can stay the course and execute a strategy.Farage and Polanski definitely don't fit the brief!

Increasing the UK population through immigration however isn't the answer. We have to encourage growth in the new areas, such as AI. Why can't the UK produce Google type companies? It isn't for lack of talent but because there isn't the focus helping the start ups.

A UK CEO of a start up had to go to the US to grow. His company wants to come back but he is telling Kier that many of our universities are not generating the right skills in AI. Too few courses are focussed correctly - cut the useless courses (that exist for bums on seats) and give the funding to the right courses.

Construction is UK based therefore UK taxation, so focus on generating homegrown skills in that area..don't rely on immigration.

Defence is a sector that needs investment, it is UK focussed. No one likes conflict but we have to be realistic.

Encourage hospitality - enable youngsters to work from 16, part time, without the rigourous employment challenges on companies. This creates the culture of work. I'm shocked by how difficult it is to hire Saturday workers (so called in my day)

Which courses are useless - just out of interest?

peanutbuttertoasty · 28/02/2026 18:34

They’re crackers

HappyFace2025 · 28/02/2026 18:11

MolkosTeenageAngst · 28/02/2026 18:09

The LibDem main objective when they got into the coalition was tuition fees, they knew this would get them lots of young voters but didn’t stand by anything they’d promised once in the coalition. Even if the Greens were to get into a coalition with one of the larger parties there is nothing to say the things they’re saying they’ll focus on to get votes will be the things they actually focus on if in government. How often do political parties actually follow the things they said in their manifesto once they get into power?

I agree that governments frequently renege on their pre election promises in their manifesto. Nevertheless I wouldn't like to see either the Greens or Reform getting enough MPs to form a coalition with either Labour or Conservatives.

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MolkosTeenageAngst · 28/02/2026 18:09

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:47

But it can mean that a future GE makes a party like the Greens or Reform 'king makers' if they get enough MPs. It's not that long ago the the LibDems formed a coalition with Conservatives. If a party that fields their MPs as one whose main objective is Gaza gets the option to be part of Government then we need our heads examining.
FWIW I am politically homeless as are many other people. Who the fuck do we vote for?

The LibDem main objective when they got into the coalition was tuition fees, they knew this would get them lots of young voters but didn’t stand by anything they’d promised once in the coalition. Even if the Greens were to get into a coalition with one of the larger parties there is nothing to say the things they’re saying they’ll focus on to get votes will be the things they actually focus on if in government. How often do political parties actually follow the things they said in their manifesto once they get into power?

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