This country is doomed

It's a good thing that both Labour and Conservatives may see that kneejerk dog-whistle politics repel more than they attract. I'd like to think they'd learn from this but they probably won't

The only good news is this is a by election where protest votes are common. I think policies of open borders / encouraging migration, self ID and legalising drugs will be scrutinised at a general election. The country would collapse under the greens. Any far left or far right party spells bad news for women.

So how do you think their long term vision of a world without borders will work out then?

Where will all the houses come from? Just build all over the English countryside, or increase council tax so much that people can only afford to live in tiny boxes?

And are how do you feel about your children and generations to come paying reparations for slavery when they played absolutely no part in the slave trade? Payments that will be going to benefit people who weren’t ever slaves themselves? Where does that end? Should we be demanding reparations from Italy for what the Romans did?

These people are just living in Lala land and have no proper understanding of the real world consequences some of these loony policies can bring.

The strength of the Green vote doesn't bother me in the slightest. I think this is what happens when you take voters for granted. Burnham might have won that seat as well. Labour lost it for themselves.

Can't see any lessons being learned from Starmers response though

We need better politics- the Greens offer that. The mains parties have failed. Reform are racists

you are not wrong the uk is royally fucked

The Scandinavian countries have excellent public services because everyone works and pays taxes. A strange concept to our army of benefit claimants here. Greens think they can have excellent public services by printing more money and taxing ‘the rich’ a policy abandoned everywhere else as it just reduces a countries tax take, not increases.

They have no answers whatsoever to the serious questions facing this country. They are a clown party. Just like reform. Two cheeks of the same arse.

And where do they think those immigrants are going to live? In houses that will be built on the fields and woodland their party is supposed to protect!!!!

My local woods have been hacked down and replaced with two new estates, a massive estate has been built at the other end of the village, and now we’re going to have an extra 400 homes built on the fields in the centre of the village. Judging by the languages spoken, I’d say at least half the people who’ve moved onto those new estates were born outside the U.K.. I used to vote Green because I thought they were the party who’d protect the countryside. In fact, they’re the biggest enemy the countryside could ever have. The sight of that blonde woman dancing and grinning like a brainwashed lunatic was enough for me. I will never vote for them again.

They're not entirely an "independent body" they are self appointed and at no time during when the polling stations were actually open did they actually raise the issue with the electoral staff or the police.

No - if you read the Green Party’s policies, they are communist.

To be fair, my seven year old asked me what drugs are as his friend at school says he takes them all the time. Perhaps children should be educated about it earlier.
legalising would certainly stop a lot of the county lines gangs. However, I appreciate this needs to be looked at very carefully as it hasn’t worked well in many other countries/states so far

I don’t think so on his vote. Only Lucy Powell voted the other way.

I do think the Green party is in a massive state of flux right now that isn't fully appreciated. It's an uneasy alliance between two groups which really aren't obvious bedfellows. At some point that leads to crisis as we've seen in other parties both here and abroad. If you don't understand this you are missing a massive potential problem on the horizon.

For all its faults (of which there are an extraordinary amount) Reform do not have the same level of this. They have competing ego issues instead to contend with as well as a variety of people who are scandals waiting to happen. But for the most part I don't see a full on civil war in the same way. I see massive bickering and infighting between individuals instead. But on policy? Not so much to the same extent where it looks like an impossible square to circle.

Me too

And it was doomed under Thatcher and under Major and under Blair and then under 13 years of the Tories fucking everything up. What else is new.

The least worst solution is for Labour to get a new leader with a backbone, and then to knuckle down for the next decade and try and sort out some of the mess left by the Tories and the Tory rats that have jumped shit to Nigel’s Temu Tory Party.

No, you directly responded to me and alluded to things you didn't actually talk about, and then said people are determined to scream racism? You sound a little unhinged honestly, I don't know what your comment about assuming the worst is about?

I thought it was self explanatory from the context of the conversation about entrism and conflicts about the divide within the green party between white young progressives and often older Muslims on policy, but hey let's just always assume the worst.

Well yes, and my eldest child is 3/4 black. I’m mixed, I have a Nigerian mother, Hausa precisely. What is the relevance of having black friends, we’re not even talking about black people?

Like wtf is your problem for real?

Genuinely, there is something not right. I’m going back to work because I have better things to do. Maybe you should too?

Right, but you didn't actually talk about any of that in your post.

I read a report that Starmer voted the other way? I'll check.
I'm sure he wants to beat Reform. My point is that he made no reference to them in his victory speech.

Because of immigration patterns / voting patterns in Gorton and who tends to go into being a landlord and who seems to be voting Green and what the green policy is in this area and how it's a clash between self interest and party policy.

Cos it's relevant to talking about the future of where Green policy might end up going on the subject of private landlords.

Honest to god I'm not being a dick here. I'm pointing out a conflict that at some point that's going to come to a head if the greens do get power at Westminster and do try to implement their manifesto.

The number of people absolutely determined to scream racism is astonishing!

Yes it was a majority vote with Starmer as one of them I think.

Hannah spoke well on winning. Re your pp on Polanski and his views on Labour he’s been pretty clear on wanting to replace them, so he will go for them but he also talks about beating Reform.

What next, let me guess..you'll say you have a black friend.

Adios..

I understand The suggestion regarding the minimum wage is for the under 21’s to make it more attractive for businesses to employ younger people. Currently we have the highest youth unemployment in Europe.

Are you in employment at all? How long have you been policing thread?

You are acting very weirdly, you picked up on my extremely inoffensive comment that said basically nothing at all, and seem to be out to start a fight with everyone. Everything ok at home?

Also, I’m not white, and I don’t have bigoted views towards myself or my children/family. Why do you want, a selfie? Get lost.