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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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JustSawJohnny · 27/02/2026 17:48

Naunet · 27/02/2026 17:33

There is a middle ground that most of us manage to find though.

There is, but younger generations seem to be rejecting it.

There is a growing tendency to prioritise health, both physical and mental.

I guess I'm just left wondering if they have it at least partly right?

RedToothBrush · 27/02/2026 17:47

the80sweregreat · 27/02/2026 17:45

David Peckham, I so agree with your post!
The Greens have elected a leader who resonates with the younger voters by being personable ( Hannah Spencer seems like this too)
If it’s real or not , I don’t know , but it seems to have worked. I don’t agree with their policies, but for some politicians to have the gift of appearing to be your friend seems to work. For all his many faults , Boris Johnson had that gift ( as does Andy burnham)
Unfortunately it’s passed Sir Keir starmer by!

Keir Starmer has all the charm of a robot. Pre AI.

the80sweregreat · 27/02/2026 17:45

David Peckham, I so agree with your post!
The Greens have elected a leader who resonates with the younger voters by being personable ( Hannah Spencer seems like this too)
If it’s real or not , I don’t know , but it seems to have worked. I don’t agree with their policies, but for some politicians to have the gift of appearing to be your friend seems to work. For all his many faults , Boris Johnson had that gift ( as does Andy burnham)
Unfortunately it’s passed Sir Keir starmer by!

IsEveryUserNameBloodyTaken · 27/02/2026 17:42

nomas · 27/02/2026 15:47

And what would those be? Since you enjoy following me thread to thread.

I have hardly posted in the last month, but if I am commenting it’s because of the laughable things you are writing that stick out like a sore thumb among other posts.

JHound · 27/02/2026 17:41

ParmaVioletTea · 27/02/2026 15:12

The Greens don't know what a woman is.

And the local by-election campaign was won on their anti-Semitic policies.

And which “anti-semitic policies” is Polanski shooting himself in the head with?

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 17:40

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 17:36

Well I do. I never refer to politicians that way on here. I would either use only the surname or the first name and surname.

Same but it’s an odd point to make when the use of first names is so common and widespread. Some people wouldn’t even know who you meant if you said Johnson, so ubiquitous has Boris become.

JHound · 27/02/2026 17:40

ExtraOnions · 27/02/2026 08:40

Who would have thought that Racist Rhetoric, and the demonisation of anyone none-white wouid be a vote loser with ethic minority groups?

Tactical voting to kept those racists out seems like a great idea.

I’m a Labour voter, but would have voted Green yesterday … send the Reform candidate back to London.

It’s not “sectarian voting” (nasty words from Reform), it’s “tactical voting”

Yep - Reform seem really bitter at tactical voting but they just need to accept it and take the L on this.

DavidPeckham · 27/02/2026 17:37

The basics as I see it are that both labour and conservative have failed their core voters. Neither have delivered what the centre right or centre left want and have become a jumbled mess of who knows what. Neither party has any soul. I’m very much a god king and country type but the conservatives are no longer that. Equally if you are a traditional labour voter all you’ve seen is rich Islington elites pushing trans rights and free Palestine at the expense of what matters to you trying to make ends meet day to day. Both parties have completely lost their core values and voting base, and this is why there is the huge political shift happening in this country.

So, in steps reform and the Green Party. Reform’s tactics are pretty easy to understand - sell the Britain first message and restore national pride. This will appeal to huge numbers of voters who are tired of being called racist or nazi for being concerned about large scale unchecked immigration that has seen public services and traditional communities ripped apart. They were promised that Brexit would deliver control of our borders but in reality it has achieved nothing of the sort.

And then the Green’s. I can see the strategic playbook a mile off. Align yourself with Palestine and trans rights and attract vast swathes of voters to your cause. A home for the guardianista academic types who would have traditionally voted labour married uncomfortably to at the very least conservative Islam, if not radical, and of course the woke elements of the current culture wars. Clever really. Does this voting base care about deforestation or the plight of polar bears? Some might but who really cares, the greens are tired of having no seats in parliament and this is their opportunity given the void left by the traditional Labour Party. They are debating shortly on whether Zionism should be equated with racism, and in essence supporting a single Palestinian state which will eradicate Israel and align the Green Party with the stated goals of Hamas. This motion is being tabled by Lubna Speitan a member of various pro-Palestinian groups. This is the same Hamas lest we forget who raped and slaughtered women and babies amongst others on October 7th 2023. Make no mistake that this is antisemitism dressed up with blonde hair and a green jacket.

Support who you want but do it with your eyes open.

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 17:36

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 17:27

Presumably you feel the same about all the posts about Kemi, Ange and Rachel from Accounts?

Well I do. I never refer to politicians that way on here. I would either use only the surname or the first name and surname.

tobee · 27/02/2026 17:35

Maia77 · 27/02/2026 09:02

I like Greens. They are a new and improved Labour.

“I like Greens, I like living in an ideological fantasy world!”

Naunet · 27/02/2026 17:33

JustSawJohnny · 27/02/2026 17:23

I genuinely think this is a societal issue.

It's too much of a sweeping generalisation to make the claim that 'young people don't want to get their hands dirty' - something that was said to me this week by a garage owner who can't find mechanics or trainees - and that all they want is to be influencers or famous BUT there is a down trend in young people going into trades .

They are also shunning roles in which they are expected to work long hours for trial periods or low wages and when in work they are sticking to working hours and taking days off for reasons such as 'mental health days'.

The question is - are they right? Is it actually OK that older generations have run themselves into the ground and suffered mentally due to the stresses of the workplace? Have we had the balance wrong and they have a point?

I'm honestly torn on this one.

Either way, what we know for sure is that Farage is an absolute boot licker for big business and OBVIOUSLY would clap his trotters together at the notion of reducing minimum wage for ANYONE.

Again - NOT on the side of the workers!

There is a middle ground that most of us manage to find though.

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 17:33

Well it is quite concerning. The greens are fucking crazy. And so are reform.

So…. 🫣

WHERE ARE THE NORMAL PEOPLE

Wolverine23 · 27/02/2026 17:32

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

alright let’s just get a Trump in? I’m sure that will help the country. knock it off will you. Reformat a hateful divisive party

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 17:27

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 17:19

It makes me cringe when people say, “Hannah” as if they know her. As if she’s their friend. As if she’s the popular girl they want to hang out with.

Presumably you feel the same about all the posts about Kemi, Ange and Rachel from Accounts?

JustSawJohnny · 27/02/2026 17:26

Nofeckingway · 27/02/2026 16:52

Cheer up 😁. Could be worse like living in Trump's USA 🤯

THAT. IS. WHAT. FARAGE. WANTS.

He is working from the Trump play book!

He dreams of reducing our rights and fleecing us blind, all while his billionaire pals buy up housing and high streets and force us online, where they get to fleece us all over again!

Pure scum.

JustSawJohnny · 27/02/2026 17:23

charliehungerford · 27/02/2026 14:12

I understand The suggestion regarding the minimum wage is for the under 21’s to make it more attractive for businesses to employ younger people. Currently we have the highest youth unemployment in Europe.

I genuinely think this is a societal issue.

It's too much of a sweeping generalisation to make the claim that 'young people don't want to get their hands dirty' - something that was said to me this week by a garage owner who can't find mechanics or trainees - and that all they want is to be influencers or famous BUT there is a down trend in young people going into trades .

They are also shunning roles in which they are expected to work long hours for trial periods or low wages and when in work they are sticking to working hours and taking days off for reasons such as 'mental health days'.

The question is - are they right? Is it actually OK that older generations have run themselves into the ground and suffered mentally due to the stresses of the workplace? Have we had the balance wrong and they have a point?

I'm honestly torn on this one.

Either way, what we know for sure is that Farage is an absolute boot licker for big business and OBVIOUSLY would clap his trotters together at the notion of reducing minimum wage for ANYONE.

Again - NOT on the side of the workers!

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 17:19

It makes me cringe when people say, “Hannah” as if they know her. As if she’s their friend. As if she’s the popular girl they want to hang out with.

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 17:18

notmuchtoit · 27/02/2026 17:16

The Greens stopped Reform winning. What's not to like?

Both beat Labour. I agree it’s good stuff.

notmuchtoit · 27/02/2026 17:16

The Greens stopped Reform winning. What's not to like?

LoveHearts69 · 27/02/2026 17:10

I am thrilled the Greens won. I really like Hannah.

The way Keir has behaved towards the greens (and not Reform) during this campaign, and following the result has really shown his true colours and that it was never about right vs left, it’s about the rich vs the rest of us! He is spiralling and I’m here for it.

Mugsey62 · 27/02/2026 17:04

JustSomeWaferThinHam · 27/02/2026 14:06

Are you serious??

A Labour politician reports serious threats and beheading by Islamic extremists and you are suggesting she’s making it up?

Without corroborative evidence I wouldn't come to any conclusion at all.

Nofeckingway · 27/02/2026 16:52

Cheer up 😁. Could be worse like living in Trump's USA 🤯

deadpan · 27/02/2026 16:43

XDownwiththissortofthingX · 27/02/2026 15:22

Scotland's Parliament is not fully PR, and one of the biggest issues with the partial system is that you end up with the likes of Murdo Fraser being a perpetual but wholly pointless presence in your Parliament, in a job for decades despite never once having actually been directly elected, and indeed, having been utterly rejected by the electorate on at least seven separate occasions when he has actually attempted to get himself elected on merit.

PR systems are not free of pitfalls either, especially so when it's left to the whims of the party to nominate who, precisely, will be elected by bloc vote. Conversely, it does make it virtually impossible for bampot single-issue independents to wind up with a seat because they can't muster any sort of widespread enough support to matter when the larger parties also return significant bloc list votes.

There are pros and cons to all systems, and in a lot of ways partial PR isn't really an improvement over and above full FPTP. It does mean though that smaller parties who have a degree of popular support do gain some traction if they can break through a certain threshold, so there is that.

I didn't say they were perfect but at least you get a consensus and not so much of the sweeping changes every four years costing millions of pounds because a different party is in and they have completely different opinions.
We need cross party agreement on Health, Education, Transport and Energy but under the system we have we'd never get it

Locutus2000 · 27/02/2026 16:42

DavidPeckham · 27/02/2026 16:39

So would you accept the Green Party constitution, party leader and deputy section 4?

greenparty.org.uk/about/our-constitution/

“The post of deputy leader will be held as a job share with two individuals, at least one of whom must be a woman or a non-binary person (noting that gender is self-determined).“

Or is that me getting played too? I would suggest it is most probably yourself who is the less informed one.

That's talking about the Green Party Council, not the leadership.

Edit: I was dead wrong, my bad. The same text is repeated.

Underthinker · 27/02/2026 16:42

Minervano1 · 27/02/2026 16:34

One discrimination case. Which for a major political party is pretty low-key stuff.

Two cases involving Shahrar Ali, and more cases pending or in the crowd funding stage.

Many others have been expelled for completely sensible gender critical views, but for perfectly understandable reasons haven't all decided to take court action.

But the key question is- why would I vote for a party that would expel me as a member?