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This country is doomed

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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Skinnysaluki · 27/02/2026 19:14

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 19:08

I don't think the Muslim vote voted Green solely because of Gaza. There have been proposed changes to immigration laws. It could be for any number of reasons

Maybe it was on…
the NHS
Housing
care homes
Jobs
taxation
other social policy
the cut of Zack Polanski’s suit
or any one of the other policies that any voter votes for.

you make it sound as though Muslim voters are one homogenous block of people rather than a diverse bunch of various people.

You make it sound as though all a Muslim could possibly care about is Palestine or immigration.

you do know that that is racist, don’t you?

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 19:12

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 19:06

I'm interested to know what you think their more extreme policies are?

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You’re wasting your time there. She has no idea what any of their policies are if she thinks the Green Party and Reform are essentially the same and doesn’t think the former are on the left of the political spectrum.

Skinnysaluki · 27/02/2026 19:10

Naunet · 27/02/2026 16:31

The Greens are deeply, deeply misogynistic.

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That’ll be why they’ve just delivered another female MP and why such large numbers of young women say they’ll vote for them. Because of their misogyny…..

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 19:10

LoftyPlumLion · 27/02/2026 19:02

Is that a key piece in your political values?

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It’s a single issue voting determinant for some (fortunately a tiny minority) women.

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 19:08

I don't think the Muslim vote voted Green solely because of Gaza. There have been proposed changes to immigration laws. It could be for any number of reasons

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 19:06

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 19:01

I just listened to it again. It’s not a bad speech but yes I do see the underlying sentiment is the same. Country’s shit. Greens are blaming billionaires. Reform blaming immigrants. Obviously the major difference is one is trying to unite and the other divide. So greens win on that point. But yes both are appealing to populist sentiments here and neither mention their more extreme policies.

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I'm interested to know what you think their more extreme policies are?

Skinnysaluki · 27/02/2026 19:04

MaturingCheeseball · 27/02/2026 08:36

I must admit I am depressed. Have people not looked at the Greens’ policies?

And the win yesterday - it was on Gaza. I can’t imagine any Muslim voter being in favour of any Green policy except one.

It’s all bizarre.

You obviously don’t meet many Muslims!

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 19:03

nomas · 27/02/2026 18:58

Which SM feeds?

This seems a very biased view. People see what they want to see.

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It’s just their posts on IG. It’s not curated by me, it’s what they put up. Have a look at a Starmer one and a Greens and Kemi one.

Your reaction seems odd. It’s not the end of the world that Starmer is disliked. Surely you know already given his personal rating.

NeedAnyHelpWithThatPaperBag · 27/02/2026 19:02

Since globalisation and the rise of the trans national corporations, a country's government has very little real power left to actually change things.

LoftyPlumLion · 27/02/2026 19:02

Underthinker · 27/02/2026 15:52

The Green's complete belief in gender ideology is well known. They even expel women for having gender critical views.

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Is that a key piece in your political values?

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 19:01

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 18:43

It’s a million miles from Farage. Wealth tax, more housing, improved public services, cohesive communities. It couldn’t be more different.

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I just listened to it again. It’s not a bad speech but yes I do see the underlying sentiment is the same. Country’s shit. Greens are blaming billionaires. Reform blaming immigrants. Obviously the major difference is one is trying to unite and the other divide. So greens win on that point. But yes both are appealing to populist sentiments here and neither mention their more extreme policies.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 18:59

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 18:55

Thanks for explaining 😊

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Sorry for my attitude, it's been a frustrating thread!

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 18:59

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:57

The Scottish Greens are way to the left of the SNP. Did you miss the bit about the wealth tax on assets over £1 million? And they include pension pots in that.

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They aren't in power. The law hasn't been passed yet.

nomas · 27/02/2026 18:58

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 18:33

Yes as real as you.

Look at the SM feeds and comments. Labour get destroyed on there. Greens are liked, and Kemi.

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Which SM feeds?

This seems a very biased view. People see what they want to see.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 18:58

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:55

You choose to ignore the Scottish Greens policy - Do you think it's "entirely reasonable" they should help themselves to roughly £13,500 per annum out of my pension pot until it drops below £1 million?

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I don’t live in Scotland so it’s a matter of indifference to me what parties north of the border choose to do. In any event it’s a tax on assets over £1 million, so £3.5k in your particular case.

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:57

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 18:52

Oh ha ha yourself. Don't talk absolute rubbish - and I don't even vote for them. Evidence your claims that they are "hard left"

Are they left of the Snp? Corbyn? Stalin?

Have you ever lived under a communist regime?

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The Scottish Greens are way to the left of the SNP. Did you miss the bit about the wealth tax on assets over £1 million? And they include pension pots in that.

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 18:55

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 18:47

I was saying that it shows how centrist labour has become, that by comparison the Greens look extreme left. Because if you actually look at their policies, like rent controls, building more social housing, renationalising water, investing in SEND education and support services...it's all pretty typical left stuff

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Thanks for explaining 😊

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:55

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 18:50

The England and Wales Green Party wants a wealth tax of 1% for assets over £10 million and 2% for billionaires. I think it’s entirely reasonable.

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You choose to ignore the Scottish Greens policy - Do you think it's "entirely reasonable" they should help themselves to roughly £13,500 per annum out of my pension pot until it drops below £1 million?

Underthinker · 27/02/2026 18:52

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 18:47

I was saying that it shows how centrist labour has become, that by comparison the Greens look extreme left. Because if you actually look at their policies, like rent controls, building more social housing, renationalising water, investing in SEND education and support services...it's all pretty typical left stuff

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It might be typical left stuff in one sense, but the UK hasn't had a fully left wing govt since pre Thatcher the 1970s, so it would be quite a radical departure in many ways.

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 18:52

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:49

Oh ha, ha, ha. The Scottish Greens are extreme, hard line left.

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Oh ha ha yourself. Don't talk absolute rubbish - and I don't even vote for them. Evidence your claims that they are "hard left"

Are they left of the Snp? Corbyn? Stalin?

Have you ever lived under a communist regime?

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 18:50

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:46

The Scottish Greens are pushing for a wealth tax on everyone who has assets over £1 million. That sum includes pension pots and houses. I have roughly £1.35m so they want £13,500 per annum on top of the roughly £48,000 income tax I'm already paying. As I'm Scotland my headline rate of tax is 67.5 %.

What incentive is there to build up a pension pot if it is going to be attacked like that? Or to even try to earn a wage that puts you in the higher bands.

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The England and Wales Green Party wants a wealth tax of 1% for assets over £10 million and 2% for billionaires. I think it’s entirely reasonable.

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:49

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 18:48

The Scottish Greens are very slightly left of centre - as are the SNP. Nothing like the communist party.

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Oh ha, ha, ha. The Scottish Greens are extreme, hard line left.

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 18:48

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:38

The Greens are basically Communists. The Scottish Greens are even more hard left.

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The Scottish Greens are very slightly left of centre - as are the SNP. Nothing like the communist party.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 18:47

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 18:33

Yes was asking what left is to you.

PP and I are obviously recognising something in reform and greens which we dont like - I am going to assume populist extremism, authoritarianism, absolutism. I think they both sound quite dangerous.

PP was trying to talk about that and all it came back with was a comment about left and centre. So I was asking what parts of green make that a leftist party to you. I am not trying to argue with you. It’s subjective anyway so there is no right or wrong. I was just interested.

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I was saying that it shows how centrist labour has become, that by comparison the Greens look extreme left. Because if you actually look at their policies, like rent controls, building more social housing, renationalising water, investing in SEND education and support services...it's all pretty typical left stuff

PhaedraWas · 27/02/2026 18:46

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 18:38

Yes I have listened to it. That’s really not far off what Nigel says with the underlying message ‘work doesn’t pay’

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The Scottish Greens are pushing for a wealth tax on everyone who has assets over £1 million. That sum includes pension pots and houses. I have roughly £1.35m so they want £13,500 per annum on top of the roughly £48,000 income tax I'm already paying. As I'm Scotland my headline rate of tax is 67.5 %.

What incentive is there to build up a pension pot if it is going to be attacked like that? Or to even try to earn a wage that puts you in the higher bands.

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