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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:36

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:30

I've said this so many times on this thread

open borders is NOT a green policy

Has anyone anti green on this thread ACTUALLY READ their policies?

Migration Policy
Our updated migration policy complements the rewritten Refugee and Asylum policy and details how migrants who are not refugees or asylum-seekers are to be treated.
The current hostile environment is designed to ensure migrants are discouraged from staying in the UK. After years of repeated applications and large fees, many who do finally reach settled or citizenship status will have developed an understandable distrust and dislike of the Home Office.
Instead we propose a fair and humane alternative which treats all new migrants as potential citizens and ensures that they feel at home here.
The Green Party in government will:
Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
Give all residents the right to vote
Help families to be together
Dismantle the Home Office
Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
Abolish the ten year route to settlement
Stop the profiteering from application fees
Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

Yeah....

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:36

Taxing the most wealthy is absolutely a vote winner among the demographic flocking to join the Green Party.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:36

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:30

We're talking about taxing billionaires!

How many billionaires do you think live in the UK? Last count was 156 and decreasing. By the time we get to the next GE there will be even fewer! So no, don't expect the coffers to be rolling with £ from billionaires!

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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:33

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:27

No I don't buy it. Someone said they think the green policy of abolishing private landlords is a good idea and you respond with 'well actually some people need to rent'

Did you seriously think the Greens haven't thought of that? You responded showing your complete ignorance of their actual policy (which is very quick to google) because you don't care. Don't speak against things if you're not even going to bother to find out what it is you're speaking against

Their policies need to be paid for and all you Green supporters can come up with is tax, and more tax. That is not a vote winner.
In the meantime this country is billions of £ in the red thanks to prolific borrowing by successive governments, that needs to be paid back. At this rate we'll be going cap in hand to the IMF as we had to do in the 1970s
Meanwhile you Greens just carry on carrying on. That's the last I'll say tonight.

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:33

LoftyPlumLion · 27/02/2026 20:32

She definitely said pension pot.

even so, ignore trying to make it party political £13,500 when you are sat on a million, let me get my tiny violin and sib for the entitled hardship.

the biggest problem is wealth disparity in this country. Having a million quid and crying about 13500!is just wrong and immoral.

and then to demonise vulnerable people so you can horde your filthy lucre speaks spades about values.

It wouldn’t even be £13.5k because the first £1 million doesn’t count. It would be £3.5k.

LoftyPlumLion · 27/02/2026 20:32

EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 19:50

I thought she meant house plus pension? Even a few Labour supporters probably have that.

She definitely said pension pot.

even so, ignore trying to make it party political £13,500 when you are sat on a million, let me get my tiny violin and sib for the entitled hardship.

the biggest problem is wealth disparity in this country. Having a million quid and crying about 13500!is just wrong and immoral.

and then to demonise vulnerable people so you can horde your filthy lucre speaks spades about values.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:31

We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

There’s also the proposed wealth tax. Open borders are a pipe dream.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:30

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:28

Taxing the population to the nth degree won't win them enough voters.

We're talking about taxing billionaires!

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:30

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:25

But they have not said how they will finance that.

Open borders will mean a shitload of housing will be needed.

I've said this so many times on this thread

open borders is NOT a green policy

Has anyone anti green on this thread ACTUALLY READ their policies?

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 20:30

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:13

We bring it back into circulation by taxing it. That's what taxes are.

Yes, but what I am saying is why do you even have to do that? Thats just something we invented to deal with something else we invented. You want to think radical then think radical.

It’s like if someone has 10 hats, I have one. Someone steals mine. I say well you have 10. I have none now so I want yours. I could steal their hat. They dont use that hat. But it does sit on a shelf sentimentaly and they like that hat. Or I could just avoid that whole palaver and knit a new one. Modern money is not finite. It’s literally a number on a computer screen.

Regardless of the mechanism… what would actually happen if we did do that? Just took or printed 800 billion. On a national level thats just a drop in the ocean so would it actually make a difference? Not much but I hope it would do some good if we invested/spent it right.

If on an individual level we redistribute it.. that would c. 13k each. That could also work out great. I think it’s enough but not too much. Or it could all go tits up and be inflated away in 5 seconds anyway.

So really the question I am asking is how much money is too much to take or magic out of thin air. Thats the question that needs to be answered first and foremost.

Then once you know the answer just do it. Print it and distribute it.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:28

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:13

We bring it back into circulation by taxing it. That's what taxes are.

Taxing the population to the nth degree won't win them enough voters.

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glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:27

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:23

See my answer to @Blossomtoes above.

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No I don't buy it. Someone said they think the green policy of abolishing private landlords is a good idea and you respond with 'well actually some people need to rent'

Did you seriously think the Greens haven't thought of that? You responded showing your complete ignorance of their actual policy (which is very quick to google) because you don't care. Don't speak against things if you're not even going to bother to find out what it is you're speaking against

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:26

Thank you @ChardonnaysBeastlyCat .

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TheKittenswithMittens · 27/02/2026 20:26

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:22

If that’s true (I actually doubt it) a choice between losing their right to buy discounts and being kicked out of the country is a bit of a no brainer.

The Right to Buy scheme is popular among many British Muslims as it enables homeownership. but it requires using Sharia-compliant, interest-free financing rather than traditional mortgages to remain compliant with Islamic law. Popular options include Diminishing Musharaka (partnership) or Ijara (leasing) Says Apercu

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:25

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:15

You could have clicked on the link upthread and found this but let me encourage your laziness.

We would start by ending the right-to-buy scam. We would also end the financial incentives and tax-breaks that were set up to encourage private landlords. We would end buy-to-let mortgages and bring back rent controls to stop landlords exploiting renters. We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

When it comes to housing supply, instead of just building more and more houses, the sensible thing is to start by making better use of the properties we already have. A Green Government would finance the purchase of empty properties; properties being sold by landlords; and those properties that aren’t being maintained properly by landlords. All of this would increase the supply of healthy, affordable homes without having to build so many more.

When we do build new housing, the Green Party wouldn’t follow the Labour and Conservative model of just letting private developers do whatever they want. We don’t want more of the luxury investment properties that make the biggest profits for developers. We should be building the types of properties we really need in the places where they are really needed. We would not only tighten up planning regulations, we would also create a Government run national housebuilding programme. Brick-By-Brick is a perfect example of what can go wrong when individual Councils try to build properties themselves, so we will bring in a properly regulated, innovative, and trustworthy Government building company that Councils can then apply to.

But they have not said how they will finance that.

Open borders will mean a shitload of housing will be needed.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:24

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:24

Well, it’s your thread, mate. If the rest of us can keep up maybe try a bit harder.

Give it a rest FFS. You've made your point, I think 🤔

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:24

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:21

I missed the link. I do have a life outside of MN and haven't kept up with all the posts.
But thank you so much for providing the information.

Well, it’s your thread, mate. If the rest of us can keep up maybe try a bit harder.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:23

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:16

Thank you I also just copied and pasted from the link I had already posted. If it was a genuine question OP could've actually just looked herself but she doesn't really care clearly

See my answer to @Blossomtoes above.

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:22

TheKittenswithMittens · 27/02/2026 20:20

I would agree totally with ending right to buy. Though isn't it popular with Muslims?

If that’s true (I actually doubt it) a choice between losing their right to buy discounts and being kicked out of the country is a bit of a no brainer.

Anyahyacinth · 27/02/2026 20:22

I think it’s incredibly heartening they won, a very positive day 💚

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:21

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:15

You could have clicked on the link upthread and found this but let me encourage your laziness.

We would start by ending the right-to-buy scam. We would also end the financial incentives and tax-breaks that were set up to encourage private landlords. We would end buy-to-let mortgages and bring back rent controls to stop landlords exploiting renters. We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

When it comes to housing supply, instead of just building more and more houses, the sensible thing is to start by making better use of the properties we already have. A Green Government would finance the purchase of empty properties; properties being sold by landlords; and those properties that aren’t being maintained properly by landlords. All of this would increase the supply of healthy, affordable homes without having to build so many more.

When we do build new housing, the Green Party wouldn’t follow the Labour and Conservative model of just letting private developers do whatever they want. We don’t want more of the luxury investment properties that make the biggest profits for developers. We should be building the types of properties we really need in the places where they are really needed. We would not only tighten up planning regulations, we would also create a Government run national housebuilding programme. Brick-By-Brick is a perfect example of what can go wrong when individual Councils try to build properties themselves, so we will bring in a properly regulated, innovative, and trustworthy Government building company that Councils can then apply to.

I missed the link. I do have a life outside of MN and haven't kept up with all the posts.
But thank you so much for providing the information.

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TheKittenswithMittens · 27/02/2026 20:20

I would agree totally with ending right to buy. Though isn't it popular with Muslims?

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:16

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:15

You could have clicked on the link upthread and found this but let me encourage your laziness.

We would start by ending the right-to-buy scam. We would also end the financial incentives and tax-breaks that were set up to encourage private landlords. We would end buy-to-let mortgages and bring back rent controls to stop landlords exploiting renters. We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

When it comes to housing supply, instead of just building more and more houses, the sensible thing is to start by making better use of the properties we already have. A Green Government would finance the purchase of empty properties; properties being sold by landlords; and those properties that aren’t being maintained properly by landlords. All of this would increase the supply of healthy, affordable homes without having to build so many more.

When we do build new housing, the Green Party wouldn’t follow the Labour and Conservative model of just letting private developers do whatever they want. We don’t want more of the luxury investment properties that make the biggest profits for developers. We should be building the types of properties we really need in the places where they are really needed. We would not only tighten up planning regulations, we would also create a Government run national housebuilding programme. Brick-By-Brick is a perfect example of what can go wrong when individual Councils try to build properties themselves, so we will bring in a properly regulated, innovative, and trustworthy Government building company that Councils can then apply to.

Thank you I also just copied and pasted from the link I had already posted. If it was a genuine question OP could've actually just looked herself but she doesn't really care clearly

scottishgirl69 · 27/02/2026 20:15

I live near Glasgow and it's 600 pounds a month plus for a room in a flat - it can be 1000 plus in the West end of Glasgow - Edinburgh is even worse. There definitely is a housing crisis

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:15

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:06

As pp asked further up thread how are the Greens proposing to pay for the social housing that is needed? Houses can't be magicked out of thin air. Genuine question.

You could have clicked on the link upthread and found this but let me encourage your laziness.

We would start by ending the right-to-buy scam. We would also end the financial incentives and tax-breaks that were set up to encourage private landlords. We would end buy-to-let mortgages and bring back rent controls to stop landlords exploiting renters. We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

When it comes to housing supply, instead of just building more and more houses, the sensible thing is to start by making better use of the properties we already have. A Green Government would finance the purchase of empty properties; properties being sold by landlords; and those properties that aren’t being maintained properly by landlords. All of this would increase the supply of healthy, affordable homes without having to build so many more.

When we do build new housing, the Green Party wouldn’t follow the Labour and Conservative model of just letting private developers do whatever they want. We don’t want more of the luxury investment properties that make the biggest profits for developers. We should be building the types of properties we really need in the places where they are really needed. We would not only tighten up planning regulations, we would also create a Government run national housebuilding programme. Brick-By-Brick is a perfect example of what can go wrong when individual Councils try to build properties themselves, so we will bring in a properly regulated, innovative, and trustworthy Government building company that Councils can then apply to.