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HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 08:29

While the vote in Gorton and Denton may be described as a 'protest' vote the strength of both the Greens and Reform performance is something to worry all of us not just Labour.

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 21:00

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:57

Absolutely. It doesn't work to do it even though it should make sense to do so. But there aren't enough billionaires here to cover the taxes needed. They are leaving the Titanic before it sinks.

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They can leave. Their assets are still here to be taxed, they can’t take luxury flats with them.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:57

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:54

That’s why George Osborne’s master plan failed - he slashed and burned public services and still the debt went up. That’s why more tax is needed from the most wealthy.

Absolutely. It doesn't work to do it even though it should make sense to do so. But there aren't enough billionaires here to cover the taxes needed. They are leaving the Titanic before it sinks.

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:57

TopPocketFind · 27/02/2026 20:52

Your c&p doesn't specify that.

But other departments can manage immigration as they did before 2013.

Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration

Well, it says "Dismantle the Home Office", so I'll say that's pretty much the same thing.

WaryCrow · 27/02/2026 20:55

It’s such a shame, I’ve got ‘Green Alternatives to Globalism’ by Caroline Lucas and Michael Woodin on my shelves. They used to think once. Open borders would have been a horror for the old greens, and the attitude that biological women with a brain should just fuck off quietly please would have been beyond abhorrent.

Sadly many institutions have been turned into their own anathema. We badly need an ecological organisation but the ‘Greens’ mock us all with their continuation of that name.

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:54

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:52

But it isn't enough!! And won't ever be unless public spending is cut to smithereens.

That’s why George Osborne’s master plan failed - he slashed and burned public services and still the debt went up. That’s why more tax is needed from the most wealthy.

TopPocketFind · 27/02/2026 20:52

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:48

Managed how?

By abolishing the Home Office?

Your c&p doesn't specify that.

But other departments can manage immigration as they did before 2013.

Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:52

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:51

That’s why tax income has to be high enough to pay the interest and decrease the debt.

But it isn't enough!! And won't ever be unless public spending is cut to smithereens.

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BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:51

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:49

There is a limit to how much a government can tax its constituents! There would be riots if they taxed enough to pay back all their borrowings.

That’s why tax income has to be high enough to pay the interest and decrease the debt.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:50

Swiftie1878 · 27/02/2026 20:49

😂 lunatics.

Absolutely!

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ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:50

Help families be together?

Give every resident the right to vote?

Abolish No Recourse to Public Funding?

Open Borders here we come!

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:49

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:47

Governments do rely on taxation, ffs. Where do you think the money for all the repayment and interest on borrowing comes from?

There is a limit to how much a government can tax its constituents! There would be riots if they taxed enough to pay back all their borrowings.

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Swiftie1878 · 27/02/2026 20:49

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:15

You could have clicked on the link upthread and found this but let me encourage your laziness.

We would start by ending the right-to-buy scam. We would also end the financial incentives and tax-breaks that were set up to encourage private landlords. We would end buy-to-let mortgages and bring back rent controls to stop landlords exploiting renters. We would introduce a land value tax to shift tax from tenants to landlords; increase taxes on empty properties to incentivise bringing them back into use; and introduce national insurance on rental income so landlords pay the same tax on their earnings as everyone else.

When it comes to housing supply, instead of just building more and more houses, the sensible thing is to start by making better use of the properties we already have. A Green Government would finance the purchase of empty properties; properties being sold by landlords; and those properties that aren’t being maintained properly by landlords. All of this would increase the supply of healthy, affordable homes without having to build so many more.

When we do build new housing, the Green Party wouldn’t follow the Labour and Conservative model of just letting private developers do whatever they want. We don’t want more of the luxury investment properties that make the biggest profits for developers. We should be building the types of properties we really need in the places where they are really needed. We would not only tighten up planning regulations, we would also create a Government run national housebuilding programme. Brick-By-Brick is a perfect example of what can go wrong when individual Councils try to build properties themselves, so we will bring in a properly regulated, innovative, and trustworthy Government building company that Councils can then apply to.

😂 lunatics.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:48

TopPocketFind · 27/02/2026 20:45

Do you understand 'open borders'?

Managed migration it is not.

Managed how?

By abolishing the Home Office?

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:47

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:46

As I posted governments don't rely on taxation. If they did they would be voted out of office. That is why they have to borrow money. Crazy I know.
As of end of 2025 we were in hock to over
£11 Billion but fortunately it was a decrease in previously. Google a BBC report if you don't believe me.

Governments do rely on taxation, ffs. Where do you think the money for all the repayment and interest on borrowing comes from?

notmuchtoit · 27/02/2026 20:46

The Greens say things I agree with. Why wouldn't I vote for them? None of the other parties do. So I'll vote Green.

Previously a die hard Labour voter. Not any more.

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:46

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:37

Their policies need to be paid for and all you Green supporters can come up with is tax, and more tax.

How else do you think governments raise money??

Plus i already said a long time ago upthread that I like their policy about redistributing public money so more is given to local councils, as this is a more effective way to spend money as they have a better knowledge of what their local area needs. So getting more bang for your buck, a better outcome from the same amount of money.

But the problem with you non-green supporters (to use your same rude language) is that you don't actually know what you're arguing against because you haven't bothered to actually read any of green's policies!

As I posted governments don't rely on taxation. If they did they would be voted out of office. That is why they have to borrow money. Crazy I know.
As of end of 2025 we were in hock to over
£11 Billion but fortunately it was a decrease in previously. Google a BBC report if you don't believe me.

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TopPocketFind · 27/02/2026 20:45

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:36

Migration Policy
Our updated migration policy complements the rewritten Refugee and Asylum policy and details how migrants who are not refugees or asylum-seekers are to be treated.
The current hostile environment is designed to ensure migrants are discouraged from staying in the UK. After years of repeated applications and large fees, many who do finally reach settled or citizenship status will have developed an understandable distrust and dislike of the Home Office.
Instead we propose a fair and humane alternative which treats all new migrants as potential citizens and ensures that they feel at home here.
The Green Party in government will:
Implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration
Treat all migrants as if they are citizens
Give all residents the right to vote
Help families to be together
Dismantle the Home Office
Abolish the No Recourse to Public Funds condition
Abolish the ten year route to settlement
Stop the profiteering from application fees
Stop putting people in prison because of their immigration status
Accept our responsibility for the climate emergency and support the people forced to move

Yeah....

Do you understand 'open borders'?

Managed migration it is not.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:44

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 20:38

Yes I have. It’s principle MG100 if you wanted to take a look.

'MG100. The Green Party wants to see a world without borders, until this happens the Green Party will implement a fair and humane system of managed immigration where people can move if they wish to do so.'

This states a world without borders is their ideology. But their actual practical policy is managed immigration.

Jamesblonde2 · 27/02/2026 20:43

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:40

Of course it is.

Because their understanding of economics and and politics peaked when they blue tacked their Che Guevara poster to the wall of their childhood bedroom in their mum's home.

I love Che Guevara but I’m right wing so our politics clash. But he’s very cool Grin

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:40

Since when is 'you green supporters' rude? Seriously!

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EasternStandard · 27/02/2026 20:40

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:36

How many billionaires do you think live in the UK? Last count was 156 and decreasing. By the time we get to the next GE there will be even fewer! So no, don't expect the coffers to be rolling with £ from billionaires!

Are billionaires going to save us all? We can live the high life and they’ll stay and pay. If they do it’s better than a jobs tax. If they don’t good luck to everyone left pretty much.

ChardonnaysBeastlyCat · 27/02/2026 20:40

BIossomtoes · 27/02/2026 20:36

Taxing the most wealthy is absolutely a vote winner among the demographic flocking to join the Green Party.

Of course it is.

Because their understanding of economics and and politics peaked when they blue tacked their Che Guevara poster to the wall of their childhood bedroom in their mum's home.

Jamesblonde2 · 27/02/2026 20:39

It’s a complete shit show.

I think we should just start mining again and making steel cos we were fine when we did.

Sorry can’t offer anything else Grin

Psychosislotus · 27/02/2026 20:38

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:30

I've said this so many times on this thread

open borders is NOT a green policy

Has anyone anti green on this thread ACTUALLY READ their policies?

Yes I have. It’s principle MG100 if you wanted to take a look.

glitterpaperchain · 27/02/2026 20:37

HappyFace2025 · 27/02/2026 20:33

Their policies need to be paid for and all you Green supporters can come up with is tax, and more tax. That is not a vote winner.
In the meantime this country is billions of £ in the red thanks to prolific borrowing by successive governments, that needs to be paid back. At this rate we'll be going cap in hand to the IMF as we had to do in the 1970s
Meanwhile you Greens just carry on carrying on. That's the last I'll say tonight.

Their policies need to be paid for and all you Green supporters can come up with is tax, and more tax.

How else do you think governments raise money??

Plus i already said a long time ago upthread that I like their policy about redistributing public money so more is given to local councils, as this is a more effective way to spend money as they have a better knowledge of what their local area needs. So getting more bang for your buck, a better outcome from the same amount of money.

But the problem with you non-green supporters (to use your same rude language) is that you don't actually know what you're arguing against because you haven't bothered to actually read any of green's policies!

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