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To start WW3 with my SIL

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Allthewineandallrhedrinks · 27/02/2026 06:30

Long story but I will keep it short.

Me and my husband had decided to stop speaking or engaging with SIL. Mainly because of an incident where my husband said something in a jokey way to my neice and she literally sulked off to another room in my parents house like it was the biggest deal making me feel uncomfortable and she's not even blood related.
I messaged my brother about Easter as we always do stuff all together and I said we need to do it separate this year. He asked why I said because your wife is a toddler sulking off and we don't want to see her again. Hears nothing more from my brother.

So then at my kids school it all gets a bit weird my mum friendship circle start ignoring me and I keep asking whats wrong and they say nothing all fine. But then they are organising meet ups without me which never happens. I normally am one that arranges them. I keep asking what's wrong. Finally find out. My SIL has told one of the mums that she knows through work about my husbands past. He did some bad stuff and was in prison but he did his time and is an amazing person.
Now because of my bitch SIL I am now isolated from my friendship group.

I was willing to not make a big deal and just not speak or see her again but she has made this personal and I cannot let this go.

OP posts:
everypageisempty · 27/02/2026 17:07

Allthewineandallrhedrinks · 27/02/2026 07:20

I am actually really shocked that people dont think it was awful my SIL told people this she had no right and knew full well what she was doing thats just nasty.

The thing is im not being cagey but ehat my husband did sounds worse written down and the mums have found the news paper about what he did ( over q5 years ago). It doesnt give context and he has changed made mistakes but learnt from them.

The fact that me and my husband cant remember what offended her so much to cause an atmosphere and leave the room shows it wasnt the a big deal. If he had said something horrible to my neice id have said something to her. I love my neice. I only knew because my mum told my husband to apologise. So we went home and were raging.

Shes calculated this just to get own back. If she is allowed to strop off im allowed to avoid feeling uncomfortable again by not seeing her. I will just see my brother and neice and nephew without her.

Im not the problem here.

Actually, I think you are a big part of the problem here.

Your DH obviously said something that wasn't on. Not remembering (or pretending not to remember) because it wasn't a big deal to 'you' is irrelevant. It was a big deal to your niece and your SIL, clearly, and for that alone, a sincerely apology should have been offered up. Instead, you called her a sulking toddler and banned her from a family holiday gathering, which means your niece/nephews lose out, too.

Your failure to offer up what actually happened and whether or not your husband frequently 'jokes' or 'makes comments' to others that you two like to pretend is no big deal when others clearly do is a problem, too, most likely. And rather than look at that and own it, you're doubling down on here.

Notsosweetcaroline · 27/02/2026 17:04

Coffeeandbooks88 · 27/02/2026 16:57

Well it is either that or drugs but needing rehabilitation limits it to a couple of things. No wonder the school mums are giving OP the cold shoulder.

Yes it could be drugs, but no one should be accused of being a paedophile. As much as I think the op is in thr wrong, as does nearly everyone else, accusing her husband of being a paedo is not ok

WearyAuldWumman · 27/02/2026 17:00

My mum's SIL made a "jokey" comment about my appearance one time. I still remember it - and I'm 66. To be fair, she wasn't very bright, but she was a good family member in other ways. I never expected or requested an apology from her.

In your family's case, @Allthewineandallrhedrinks your husband really should apologise to your niece, particularly since it was bad enough to upset your mum as well - surely that indicates that it was out of order.

So far as your SIL's conduct is concerned, if your husband's offence didn't involve child safety concerns then - yes, it does sound as though she was being retaliatory, particularly since she waited. (However, we really can't judge since you've not given us the details.)

Her walking into another room really wasn't OTT. I remember when the comment was made about my appearance, I was upset (literally trying not to cry into my milk) but then realised that my mother had had to move into another room and was being consoled by her sister who was telling her "Don't listen to her - your daughter is a bonny lassie!"

Coffeeandbooks88 · 27/02/2026 16:57

Notsosweetcaroline · 27/02/2026 16:53

I don’t think that’s ok and there is nothing to suggest this.

Well it is either that or drugs but needing rehabilitation limits it to a couple of things. No wonder the school mums are giving OP the cold shoulder.

Worktillate · 27/02/2026 16:55

Coffeeandbooks88 · 27/02/2026 16:51

Sounds like he is a pedo if he needs to be rehabilitated.

I was thinking more drug dealer using kids to deliver the deals

Which could track if we knew the ages of the kids involved - parents could be worried about them being asked to do this if he has prior form

Edited to add context

Notsosweetcaroline · 27/02/2026 16:53

Coffeeandbooks88 · 27/02/2026 16:51

Sounds like he is a pedo if he needs to be rehabilitated.

I don’t think that’s ok and there is nothing to suggest this.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 27/02/2026 16:51

Allthewineandallrhedrinks · 27/02/2026 06:46

I think everyone is being really harsh here.

I see blood related comment about my SIL was a bit uncalled for but she is the one not blood related in my parents house. She is always Miss perfectly perfect.

I was fine with my brother he didn't even know until I said about sorting Easter plans to avoid a clash that we weren't talking to his wife. I wasnt making him choose. I just dont want to see her. If she can make me feel uncomfortable in my parents house I don't want to see her again. It was totally OTT her walking out the room and staying in a different room.

I dont think it matters the conviction it was a very long time ago and he did his time and rehabilitated and is a good member of society.

What shes done telling this private information to my friends is unforgivable. What if my kids lose friends too

Sounds like he is a pedo if he needs to be rehabilitated.

PopcornKitten · 27/02/2026 16:51

Op, from reading your comments-

  1. you say what your DH said wasn’t bad, he can’t even remember etc but to your SIL and niece (who probably can remember) they found it hurtful, wrong and in appropriate. Whether he meant to offend or not it’s clear he did. 2)It sounds like SIL took herself away from the situation as she was upset.
  2. Sending the message to your brother wasn’t a good idea. He has chosen (as he should) his wife and child and is not happy with how is wife was described. You could have sent a far more tactful message without making a dig.
  3. I agree that your DH has served his time so the comment your SIL made was probably malicious and designed to get you back for what had happened. If it was said from a desire to protect these people then it would have been said before the falling out. TBH, ESH, I think your husband needs to take responsibility for his actions rather than the two of you trying to minimise them. you may find that this affects your relationship with your DB and DN as they may decide they don’t want the contact with you.
nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:51

DrCalLightman · 27/02/2026 16:42

I don't think you have read any of the OP posts.

I read all of OP's posts. Her SIL has turned her friend group against her because of something her DH once did. I think most people would be upset about this.

WearyAuldWumman · 27/02/2026 16:51

Allthewineandallrhedrinks · 27/02/2026 09:32

How do I get this thread removed?

Report your own post and use the box that comes up to request that the thread be removed.

MrsColinRobinson · 27/02/2026 16:43

nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:28

OP, contact MN and they will remove the thread for you. I'm sorry people are being so harsh, AIBU is a bloodsport and many people need to get a more constructive hobby than kicking others when they're down.

Interesting contribution considering your charming username 🤔

DrCalLightman · 27/02/2026 16:42

nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:28

OP, contact MN and they will remove the thread for you. I'm sorry people are being so harsh, AIBU is a bloodsport and many people need to get a more constructive hobby than kicking others when they're down.

I don't think you have read any of the OP posts.

GoldilocksIsALittleSod · 27/02/2026 16:40

nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:28

OP, contact MN and they will remove the thread for you. I'm sorry people are being so harsh, AIBU is a bloodsport and many people need to get a more constructive hobby than kicking others when they're down.

Have you even read a smidge of this thread?

Thesnailonthewhale · 27/02/2026 16:31

nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:28

OP, contact MN and they will remove the thread for you. I'm sorry people are being so harsh, AIBU is a bloodsport and many people need to get a more constructive hobby than kicking others when they're down.

No one's kicking her whilst she's down...

Notsosweetcaroline · 27/02/2026 16:31

I strongly suspect the sil didn’t proactively tell as she would be too ashamed/embarrased and not want people to know that’s her brother in law. It’s the sort of thing you’d hide unless asked, no one volunteers that to work acquaintances. No one. The op didn’t even want her friends to know and can’t bring herself to write it here. So it’s unlikely the sil in a professional capacity is off saying hey guess what my bil was done for,

I think the op has put two and two together and come to 7. Just as she hates her so much due to her uncontrolled jealousy,

nomoremsniceperson · 27/02/2026 16:28

Allthewineandallrhedrinks · 27/02/2026 09:32

How do I get this thread removed?

OP, contact MN and they will remove the thread for you. I'm sorry people are being so harsh, AIBU is a bloodsport and many people need to get a more constructive hobby than kicking others when they're down.

fruitbrewhaha · 27/02/2026 16:28

Oh your last post has cleared it up for me. SIL is clearly a bitch. Runs marathons for charity! Awful woman.

TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 27/02/2026 16:23

BustyLaRoux · 27/02/2026 16:07

You don’t like SIL. You sound resentful and judgemental of her career and life choices. You have sneered at her running marathons and doing stuff for charity and living healthily.

Your DH has made a comment that was off in some way. You weren’t there. You didn’t hear it, and you don’t know what he said. Your SIL was obviously quite upset and your own DM felt he should apologise. In absence of any information you’ve sided with your DH on the basis of him downplaying it and saying he can’t even remember what he said.

It’s possible both SIL and your DM have overreacted. Or it’s possible he said something inappropriate or upsetting and has underplayed it. You have no way of knowing which it is, but you’ve decided to side with DH in the absence of knowing what happened.

You’ve likely done that out of loyalty to your DH, but also your extreme dislike of SIL. Perhaps you were right to take that side. But of course there is the possibility you got it wrong. You don’t seem able to entertain that as a possibility though.

What is very strange is that you have then used this incident as a springboard for cutting SIL, and consequently your DB, out of extended family plans. You’ve made a very silly and pointed stance saying you don’t want to be around her. But you only have half the facts! You’ve taken exception to her taking exception, but you don’t know why she got upset. Only that you don’t like the fact that she did (because you cannot stand her by the sound of it), so have used this non event as the basis of trying to very openly exclude her. You’ve been quite dramatic and performative about it too.

Your SIL is faced with relatives that clearly don’t like her, a man who she is obviously wary of making an upsetting comment to her child and refusing to apologise, then a nasty attempt to exclude her from family events by performative non contact. So she has reacted and shared what she knows about your DH with friends. I don’t blame her. You’ve really pissed her off by the sound of it.

You don’t have to like her. Maybe she is an insufferable pain, but you’ve behaved as if you’re in a playground with the way you’ve treated her. She has snapped. And now you’re reaping what you sow, sadly.

If she had a secret about your DH which you’d wanted kept quiet, you would have done well not to make an enemy of this woman. Instead your jealousy and pettiness has got the better of you.

You have some serious reparation to do, not only with your mum friends to see if things can be salvaged, but also with your DB and SIL. I would start with a heartfelt apology if I were you. Some accountability and humble pie is where your head should be at. Though it sounds as though you’d rather accuse everyone who doesn’t agree with you of being just like SIL! Perhaps she isn’t the bad guy here. Perhaps you are. You certainly look that way to most other people. I would spend some time reflecting on that rather than being defensive.

Her brother has married a kind, intelligent, health-conscious and successful woman and I'm taking a guess that this is because he is a kind, intelligent, health-conscious and successful man. Meanwhile, OP has married an ex-con who makes cruel jokes at the expense of other people's children and could only be successful at getting on the Jeremy Kyle show.

I'm sure that this has not escaped the notice of her parents who may well be wondering how they went so right with one child and so wrong with the other.

OP's jealousy is not surprising and a predictable way for someone of this temperament to invest their energy, rather than on something productive.

AnAlpacaForChristmasPleaseSanta · 27/02/2026 16:17

Im not the problem here.

Brady Bunch K GIF
TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 27/02/2026 16:16

properidiot · 27/02/2026 14:23

Absolutely no way do you or your DH not remember what he said to the niece. If you can remember SIL stropping off then you will remember what he said.

You clearly just don't like her and are probably jealous of her life.

"She is one of the goodies does marathons, doesnt drink doesnt vape does charity."

Are you for real? This describes me (apart from the marathons!) does that make me a goodie too? 🙄

A goodie as opposed to a baddie? I'm sure I remember a time when being a good person was regarded as a good thing.

Alwaysontherun · 27/02/2026 16:14

The OP leaves me with lots of questions to fully understand the situation and how it has escalated to this. I think your SIL has been out of line telling of your husbands past as this appears to be done with malicious intent to affect your friendships. My main questions are..

What did your husband say to your niece to cause this reaction?

You are right in saying that your husband has done his time for the crime he committed but is it something that others who may be in his company should have the choice to know of or be aware about, particularly if their children could be potentially in contact with him?

Without this information it’s hard to say who was most unreasonable as at the moment I can see fault on both sides

Cosyblankets · 27/02/2026 16:08

Someone going to prison isn't a private matter. It's in the papers.
I don't believe neither of you can remember what was said.

BustyLaRoux · 27/02/2026 16:07

You don’t like SIL. You sound resentful and judgemental of her career and life choices. You have sneered at her running marathons and doing stuff for charity and living healthily.

Your DH has made a comment that was off in some way. You weren’t there. You didn’t hear it, and you don’t know what he said. Your SIL was obviously quite upset and your own DM felt he should apologise. In absence of any information you’ve sided with your DH on the basis of him downplaying it and saying he can’t even remember what he said.

It’s possible both SIL and your DM have overreacted. Or it’s possible he said something inappropriate or upsetting and has underplayed it. You have no way of knowing which it is, but you’ve decided to side with DH in the absence of knowing what happened.

You’ve likely done that out of loyalty to your DH, but also your extreme dislike of SIL. Perhaps you were right to take that side. But of course there is the possibility you got it wrong. You don’t seem able to entertain that as a possibility though.

What is very strange is that you have then used this incident as a springboard for cutting SIL, and consequently your DB, out of extended family plans. You’ve made a very silly and pointed stance saying you don’t want to be around her. But you only have half the facts! You’ve taken exception to her taking exception, but you don’t know why she got upset. Only that you don’t like the fact that she did (because you cannot stand her by the sound of it), so have used this non event as the basis of trying to very openly exclude her. You’ve been quite dramatic and performative about it too.

Your SIL is faced with relatives that clearly don’t like her, a man who she is obviously wary of making an upsetting comment to her child and refusing to apologise, then a nasty attempt to exclude her from family events by performative non contact. So she has reacted and shared what she knows about your DH with friends. I don’t blame her. You’ve really pissed her off by the sound of it.

You don’t have to like her. Maybe she is an insufferable pain, but you’ve behaved as if you’re in a playground with the way you’ve treated her. She has snapped. And now you’re reaping what you sow, sadly.

If she had a secret about your DH which you’d wanted kept quiet, you would have done well not to make an enemy of this woman. Instead your jealousy and pettiness has got the better of you.

You have some serious reparation to do, not only with your mum friends to see if things can be salvaged, but also with your DB and SIL. I would start with a heartfelt apology if I were you. Some accountability and humble pie is where your head should be at. Though it sounds as though you’d rather accuse everyone who doesn’t agree with you of being just like SIL! Perhaps she isn’t the bad guy here. Perhaps you are. You certainly look that way to most other people. I would spend some time reflecting on that rather than being defensive.

eish · 27/02/2026 15:58

To decide to stop talking to someone because they were offended by a 'joke' (or banter) is extreme. Especially family. Your approach of 'she's not family, how dare she offend me in MY (blood) family's space' is really aggressive. You need to think about this.

Your SIL should not have discussed this with your friends. However, possibly the 'joke' made her think that your husband was still a risk and those that were around him (i.e. your friends) needed to know.

allthingsinmoderation · 27/02/2026 15:30

graceinspace999 · 27/02/2026 13:12

I agree with you to an extent. I am basing my response on what she told us.

We never know the other side of these stories and no point in guessing at it.

Exclusion is bullying and damaging which is why I suggested counselling. A good counsellor could help her by working through those details we don’t know.

I am worried about OP’s mental health here so I’m not getting into who said what or who did what.

I agree with you also to an extent.
I agree we don't know all the facts of this side of the story or indeed the other side of the story. It would be possible to give better advice about how to move forward if we did know the fact of the OP side but she doesnt feel she wants to divulge those ,which is her prerogative.
I do though disagree that "exclusion" is bullying. It really depends on the circumstances and the thoughts and feeling of all involved.
I can see the OP is upset and stressed (understandably regardless of the detail) about what has happened and i hope she has support IRL. I agree some professional counselling may help her see a way through.