AIBU to think a lot of people don't realise the extent to which the small boats crisis is a direct consequence of Brexit...

Maybe not the main reason but it has had a significant impact.

Question wasn’t whether Brexit was a good idea. It was whether we knew it was the main behind the boats when it’s patently not.

It hasn't delivered many benefits.

Brexit is always the scapegoat.

Embarrassingly wrong to think Brexit has anything to do with the small boats.
Brexit affects rules and regulations. The migrants don’t follow rules. They just travel however they can. Currently the boats are the system in use.
Pre or post Brexit once someone claims asylum they’re pretty much going to stay where they are while the system grinds through the processes.
No the Dublin agreement would not have helped. It didn’t when it was in use.

AIBU to think many people don’t understand the extent to which Brexit is nothing to do with small boats?

People who voted for brexit got what they deserved.....

@WilfredsPiesyep

Starmer said that he would target the gangs moving people illegally, at international level. Which I think is a key point. These individuals must gather huge amounts of money, ever increasing for the look of it. Plus, let's remember that some many unauthorised entries use false passports, rather than paddling on a small boat. These gangs cannot be that difficult to spot, arrest and make an example of. But I have not seen much advance reported on this front, sadly. Only two guys arrested after purchasing enough inflatable boats and, yes, being loaded. I think Europe needs to track these guys and get rid of them. Plus putting pressures on other countries to follow up with leads into their own borders and bring this guys to justice.

Because people don’t understand that illegal entry is still an offence under immigration laws, irrespective of whether or not someone is claiming asylum, but that we don’t prosecute because we recognise that there’s no legal route, so it’s dealt with administratively instead. They also don’t understand that those arriving on small boats are treated as new arrivals, not illegal entrants.

Another thing that people don’t understand is that Brexit had sod all effect on the arrivals of small boats. I assume anyone who thinks it does has never seen the figures for removals under the Dublin agreement, where we accepted more people than we removed. There’s this mad idea that someone could climb out the back of a lorry, claim asylum and we’d be able to just say no and put them back on the first ferry to France.

Both my step daughters voted for Brexit. After Brexit they both applied for Irish passports as their father (my partner) is Irish. Annoying.

I almost didn't post my original comment - (about the EU having the same problems) - when I saw this remark

But then I thought - you know what? It's a good thing if people are asked pertinent questions. Especially if they're setting up particular groups as being incapable of understanding.

however you vote, however you see things, If you're not prepared to listen to others, we are in real trouble.

I still don’t understand how people can still confuse people arriving on small boats with illegal immigrants?

The UK need EU co-operation if it wants to deal with refugees efficiently.

We might not rejoin (yet) but we are rebuilding closer relationships.

But you are right, Leave won and we left the EU and immigration has increased.

Can you be clear on what your point actually is? You say the small boats situation is a "crisis", well is it? I thought people who hated Reform loved our open border

Which EU country has resolved migration issues by using that?

It's been ten years since the vote. I think people would be much happier in themselves if they let go of the resentment and anger and just accept that the vote to leave WON, and we have left the EU.

We're not going back into the EU. End of.

And we lost access to Eurodac

…or is it the fact that we have piss poor border control and another useless government?

Excellent question!

So how do you explain the huge increase in migration in pretty much the whole of Europe?

@Notbymychinnychinchin the main reasons we can’t rejoin ( my son has friends working in parliament in various parties ) are that the EU are reluctant to allow us in to the EEA or EU due to a high chance of Farage getting in and the more that the centre and centre left split the vote the more likely it is that Farage or a Reform /Tory alliance would get in - it’s one reason the greens have pissed me off - it’s not as if Labour aren’t big on green issues either -they are. So all you are doing is playing on mainly a younger vote without a lot of real world experience and some rather unrealistic ideology. It’s absolutely no good positioning yourself as’pro EU and will get back in - the EU have to agree and their big concern is the sheer cost to member states if Farage and co just tear it all up again - not only did it cost the Uk a total mint, it cost the EU a mint too changing everything from regulations to airport situations etc . I’m afraid vote green get Reform is a very likely outcome.

the other biggie the gvt are concerned about is too many higher tax payers who are paying tax in the UK choosing to go elsewhere within EU if they could and the country isn’t in a great place financially to withstand that .

When were in the EU, we had the power to return them to the EU country they'd been in previously. It was the Dublin Accord(?)

YANBU @Greeygoooose.

@Greeygoooose , do you realise how arrogant you sound?

Full of mostly economic migrants

Can you back up your statement with facts on that?

No. I do NOT agree with this!!!

Blame Brexit for some things, sure, some problems are because of Brexit! But all the boats coming across the channel are nothing to do with Brexit!

Bit of a leap there @Greeygoooose 😂

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