To think people are overeducated in the UK?

Did you have some bad experiences along the way? It seems that something made a big impression on you.

I have one word for you - Boriswave. Remind me, didn’t Johnson have a landslide? So people did vote for it.

But not as dim as people who call Farage a fascist. It’s the Left who are the bullies. THEY are the fascists. They have imposed mass immigration and multiculturalism on us, and they have destroyed any sense of shared history and shared culture. No one asked for this and no one voted for it. That is what you call fascism.

As a naive and ignorant teen, I belonged to Left-wing organisations. I have never met such nasty, cruel, brutal, intolerant, hate-filled people. The left is a magnet for bitter people who want revenge on the world.

Reform voters aren’t trying to impose anything on anyone. They are ordinary people desperately clinging on to their national and cultural identity.

I think it should be taught in schools

What exactly is that telling you? Because from here it sounds like you’re just parroting the usual tropes about media studies. You’re one post away from using the term ‘Mickey Mouse Degree’.

Actually proper media studies, involving analysis of printed and digital media, AI , PR etc is incredibly useful these days in business and life , I don’t mean the ‘analyse coronation st’ kind.

In just what way does it ‘ tell you everything you need to know’?

You said previously that if someone does Media Studies degree ‘then you know what type of person they are’.

You have not added an explanation for your statement. This is what we would appreciate.

They’re a person who decided to do a media studies degree for 3 years. Tells you everything you need to know really.

This post does speak to a complex problem. Maturity, motivation, and modern teaching and learning methods help. But the core features of the post are a real issue.

We do seem to gave a tier of jobs geared to the students @Newbutoldfather is referring to and the training they have actually received. In this sense it not necessarily a big problem. But the lack of transparency, the myth that all students with eg a 2.1 in a given Engineering discipline have the same backgrounds and can realistically compete for the same jobs - these fictions help no one.

I am a Russell Group STEM academic but this comment is preposterous, in that it makes any sense at all.

There are strong degree programmes and weak degree programmes in every field, and one nice thing about UK HE is that some less elite universities have strong points of excellence.

They’re a person with a degree.

On the other hand, when someone makes a comment like yours I know exactly what type of person they are.

Put me in a room with a media studies graduate any day of the week.

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It doesn’t matter what amazing achievements someone has in their CV, if they did a media studies degree then you know what type of person they are.

Ironically, the ignorance of your post goes to show this is not the case…

That depends on what the job market wants.

So less employable than stem?

It teaches the same academic skills as any other humanities degree.

I do find it bizarre that qualifications, regardless of the quality, are seen as useful and equipping young people for life in the modern world.

I have seen pupils with decent but uninspiring GCSEs go on to read STEM A levels, come out with a bunch of Bs and then go on to study, say, engineering at, to put it politely 2nd rate institutions, and come out with good degrees. The B grades can come in at under 50% in Maths and Physics. How can someone who has failed to understand more than 1/2 the A level syllabus understand degree level work?! In reality, they can’t, so the degree is massively dumbed down. And we still have the farce of pretending that all 2 1s are equal, regardless of institution.

(Of course there are exceptions, with pupils maturing later, special factors in A level grades etc, but they are statistically few).

What does a well educated population mean? To me, it means people educated to a suitable level, given their ability, to contribute both economically and socially to the community. If we reduced degrees substantially, we could support those who would truly benefit with cheaper loans and even grants, as I was lucky enough to get.

Most teachers I know think the current system is the worst and this contributed to social mobility being the worst in decades.

How are the ‘media studies kids’ going to be the ‘only ones laughing’? I don’t mean to sound snobbish or rude, but I don’t think media studies is helpful at all as it doesn’t teach any helpful skills.

It's not only education but attitude and work ethic. My BIL works in IT and his team are increasingly all Indian. He said you can't compare their attitude and work ethic to the local competition, who often feel work is beneath them and that they are overqualified for certain tasks. In in interviews there is a stark difference. I'm hearing from several people in managerial roles that younger employees will just phone and say they are having a mental health day so aren't coming in and what that translates to is I just want a day off.

@LBFseBromits interesting isn’t it, I’m 64 and the Facebook comments on local stuff ( and I live somewhere pretty nice) are full of the rose tinted glasses brigade and my feed is full of people who on one hand bemoan the cost of living or any positive things the gvt might initiate but on the other hand appear to be in Tenerife/majorca/Turkey- wherever about 5 times a year minimum - it would be more honest if they said ‘I’m doing nicely thanks’ and their cost of living increase is partly down to their changed habits of non stop trips and £100 concert tickets to see big names.

100K debt?! “So many years of not working”?!

A PhD IS working. It’s not a taught programme. Depending on your discipline, you could be working in a lab all day, with an industrial partner funding you. All my cohort were studentship holders, none of us paid any fees and we were getting paid a generous stipend. Those who had industrial partners topping up their stipend were even better obviously.

PhD competition or not, how would your 18 year old son get a managerial role without any experience?! Presumably he’s only just finished school about a year ago?!

Sometimes I wonder if some people would prefer to live in a totalitarian state where people work where the state needs live bodies.

The idea that fairness is part of capitalism is bonkers.

or you can self study to learn critical thinking

No, we are undereducated in the UK. We could do with having more people who are capable of critical thinking. Education can teach you to think critically.