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To winder if asking for a promotion can be a detriment to ones position within an organisation?

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Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 16:57

I work really bloody hard. I never switch off really. Constant work, work, work and the stress that comes with it. I'm a junior manager and my workload is more than a few of the managers who are the next level up. I'm never recognised for my work and thought it's about time I was. My work does reflect that of what a manager would do in my profession.

I asked the ceo in an email about the prospect of changing my title and level to reflect my responsibilities and input and made it very clear I don't expect a payrise. There isn't the money for it. I wrote a great email outlining why I wanted to be considered for the above. The ceo's response has made me decide not to pursue it. I have been very down about it all day.

Can asking for a promotion before being offered one be to the detriment of the employee?

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Lengokengo · 26/02/2026 15:31

i think you were right to ask for it. Early on in my career I assumed that my good/hard work would be rewarded without me having to say anything. It wasn’t.

i got my best pay rises from going externally, and my title rises from making noises internally and looking at the external jobs market ( and being prepared to move). Good manager don’t want good people to leave!

incidently, I did once get a promotion without asking, but this was a very strange set of circumstances and was a nice (overdue and justified) surprise.

topcat2014 · 26/02/2026 15:22

I think you need to plan to move on. Not in a rush or under pressure but at a time of your choosing.

Future employers are interested in what you did, not a job title

Monkey44 · 26/02/2026 15:20

What was it that the CEO said in response to your request? I don’t think I see that here. It would be good to understand what they said

CultureAlienationBoredomandDespair · 26/02/2026 15:16

I don’t think you’ve done anything awful but I imagine the company will be expecting you to leave soon.

If I’d received that request I’d assume you thought you weren’t going to be promoted there but wanted the title for when you apply for jobs elsewhere. It might mean that less opportunities come your way now.

Carlie97 · 26/02/2026 15:08

For those who are alarmed that I went straight to the ceo with my request, it's a very small organisation and although I have a manager theyre not around for a while and I find them brusque, unapproachable and patronising.

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Carlie97 · 26/02/2026 10:30

Thanks everyone. I feel a bit better about what happened yesterday now but I have massive anxiety anyway. I think it's probably time for me to look for something else. I don't feel that the managers care much.

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Ninerainbows · 25/02/2026 21:59

You didn't make yourself look bad at all. I've asked for a job title change without pay increase before when I passed some exams and my boss was too stingy to give me a promotion. This got it on my CV for 4 months so I could apply at that level elsewhere.

TreesinthePark · 25/02/2026 21:54

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:03

I've made a complete dick of myself haven't i?

No, not at all. I think you were just a bit too eager but it's a lesson learnt.

TreesinthePark · 25/02/2026 21:51

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 17:07

The job title and level up would be worth it though without the pay increase. It would be acknowledging what I do is that of a manager.

This doesn't make sense at all. Is it in the private sector? As a manager, I'd be concerned an employee lacked commercial awareness and grit if they can't/won't speak up to justify their own pay.

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:26

5128gap · 25/02/2026 20:20

That's a real shame because if you've an unsupportive and unhelpful manager it's an uphill struggle, and you may need to move to get away from them. But do that because you want to find a better place where your seniors see the benefit in nurturing ambition, not because you feel you have to run away in embarrassment.

They can be very supportive but their attitude isn't great.

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5128gap · 25/02/2026 20:20

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:11

Thank you so much. You've made me feel better about this mess I've made for myself. I didn't go through my line manager because I find them difficult and often harsh and patronising in their responses and general demeanor.

That's a real shame because if you've an unsupportive and unhelpful manager it's an uphill struggle, and you may need to move to get away from them. But do that because you want to find a better place where your seniors see the benefit in nurturing ambition, not because you feel you have to run away in embarrassment.

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:15

IDasIX · 25/02/2026 20:08

Are you managing staff though? Every job manages something (budgets, projects, biscuit buying) but that doesn’t mean everyone is a manager.

I am. I manage a small team.

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Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:14

Twattergy · 25/02/2026 20:06

I disagree with others. It can be worthwhile accepting a job title improvement if you are sure a salary increase is not possible. It can enable you to apply for more senior and better paid roles elsewhere. It could also help you to argue the case at the next round of salary upgrades (ie my job description has materially changed, I agreed to it to help the business and now I need to be prioritised for salary enhancement, and if I dont get it I'll be seeking another job elsewhere). So it can increase leverage, dependent on the organisation. But you'd need to get your line manager on board. Going to CEO is a misstep.

Thank you for making me feel better. I feel humiliated and all my own doing. I'm not looking for other roles but to me, even my title and level reflecting my dedication, skills and hardwork means a lot and at the moment I don't feel it does me justice. My line manager is going to be pissed off that I went straight to the ceo aren't they?

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Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:11

5128gap · 25/02/2026 20:07

I'm a senior manager, and I'm always happy for staff to ask for advancement. It's not always possible to offer it there and then, either because there's no opportunity, or they're not really ready; but its helpful to identify those that want to progress so you can channel that ambition to benefit the business, while offering mentoring and experience to help them achieve their goal.
So no, it wouldn't harm you at all for me. It would harm your manager in my eyes if I were you though, because even if he refused you, you should have been left with a clear reason and the actions you needed to take to achieve your goal. You shouldn't ever be made to feel upset or embarrassed about your ambition.

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Thank you so much. You've made me feel better about this mess I've made for myself. I didn't go through my line manager because I find them difficult and often harsh and patronising in their responses and general demeanor.

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IDasIX · 25/02/2026 20:08

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:01

You're probably right. I just want to be recognised as the manager I am now, but I don't have the right job title I feel to reflect that.

Are you managing staff though? Every job manages something (budgets, projects, biscuit buying) but that doesn’t mean everyone is a manager.

5128gap · 25/02/2026 20:07

I'm a senior manager, and I'm always happy for staff to ask for advancement. It's not always possible to offer it there and then, either because there's no opportunity, or they're not really ready; but its helpful to identify those that want to progress so you can channel that ambition to benefit the business, while offering mentoring and experience to help them achieve their goal.
So no, it wouldn't harm you at all for me. It would harm your manager in my eyes if I were you though, because even if he refused you, you should have been left with a clear reason and the actions you needed to take to achieve your goal. You shouldn't ever be made to feel upset or embarrassed about your ambition.

Twattergy · 25/02/2026 20:06

I disagree with others. It can be worthwhile accepting a job title improvement if you are sure a salary increase is not possible. It can enable you to apply for more senior and better paid roles elsewhere. It could also help you to argue the case at the next round of salary upgrades (ie my job description has materially changed, I agreed to it to help the business and now I need to be prioritised for salary enhancement, and if I dont get it I'll be seeking another job elsewhere). So it can increase leverage, dependent on the organisation. But you'd need to get your line manager on board. Going to CEO is a misstep.

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:03

I've made a complete dick of myself haven't i?

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Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:02

I've messed up really badly and I want to resign but can't. I have bills and debts.

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Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 20:01

dhomhnuill · 25/02/2026 18:45

I found moving organisation is the best way to progress which is short sighted in the eye of the organisations you currently work for but they dont value good employees till you decide to go. They want 110% for as little money and benefits (IME)
BUT asking for a job title and role change with no extra money- I am sorry to say this but have more respect for yourself!! You say you work bloody hard you have good output your salary vs productivity is probably very good!! But to say dont give me any more money! No!

Start looking elsewhere for pay and job title that reflects your skills!

You're probably right. I just want to be recognised as the manager I am now, but I don't have the right job title I feel to reflect that.

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Arlanymor · 25/02/2026 20:00

Is the CEO your line manager? Did you even talk to your line manager about it? I'm not surprised if their answer has been dismissive if you've just randomly emailed the head honcho out of the blue with a bit of a nonsensical request. In many professions titles are very much linked to pay grades - so to want a promotion in name but in no other way seems bizarre to me if I am honest. Unless you're wanting to apply for a new job elsewhere in the next five minutes and want to put 'manager' on your CV/job application. Which is very much what it could look like...

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 19:57

UpDownAllAround1 · 25/02/2026 18:40

Well all this probably stems from going to the CEO rather than your line manager. Not a
good decision and a major issue

Really, when the ceo makes the decision anyway?

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dhomhnuill · 25/02/2026 18:45

I found moving organisation is the best way to progress which is short sighted in the eye of the organisations you currently work for but they dont value good employees till you decide to go. They want 110% for as little money and benefits (IME)
BUT asking for a job title and role change with no extra money- I am sorry to say this but have more respect for yourself!! You say you work bloody hard you have good output your salary vs productivity is probably very good!! But to say dont give me any more money! No!

Start looking elsewhere for pay and job title that reflects your skills!

UpDownAllAround1 · 25/02/2026 18:40

Well all this probably stems from going to the CEO rather than your line manager. Not a
good decision and a major issue

daisychain01 · 25/02/2026 18:35

Carlie97 · 25/02/2026 17:07

The job title and level up would be worth it though without the pay increase. It would be acknowledging what I do is that of a manager.

Well, if the job title is what you feel is important to you more than the money, that's the main thing. However, that's not a promotion, it's a job title change. I wouldn't be content with that but I'm not you.

The ceo's response has made me decide not to pursue it. I have been very down about it all day.

so the CEO said they wouldn't change your job title? What is it that you're no longer pursuing, it isn't clear from what you've said.

are you early in your career, because you sound quite naive if you think the role title someone has on their tally makes any difference to their career progression. It doesn't. It the responsibilities you take on, at the level you are paid.

the CEO wouldn't change your role title because it would have implications on remuneration within the pay structure.

if you have too much work at your current level, or if your responsibilities are beyond your contract of employment, you ought to push back.

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