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Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:50

I moved to England to work last year. I'm Irish.

When I arrived at my workplace, one of my colleagues said "Ah you are Irish, this is a nice city, there is a Catholic church down the road that you can go to".

I think she was trying to be helpful but I thought it was quite bizarre. I'm not Catholic and I told her so.

Second time - I was out in the pub with a mixed group of people. Some of them I had never met before. One man said "ah you're Irish, you're a Catholic!" I told him Im not.

Third time- I was at another group. A woman said to me "you are Irish. Ah so you like such and such. And you are a Catholic". I told her I am not.

I found it strange as I have never really thought about religiom. Do some people here think that all Irish people are Catholics? My family were not religious at all and I was never brought up any religion

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mathanxiety · 25/02/2026 03:16

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:58

Why would you be so shocked, I don't get it, it's not that shocking that people relate Catholicism to Ireland like they do with Italy, Spain? People think of CofE with the UK as we have a constitutional monarchy

Do they really?
I very much doubt that the CoE or association with it is the first or even the hundred and eleventh thing that would be assumed about a British person, and it is certainly well down the list of items anyone would think of in relation to Britain.

Only someone who had never bothered to look up Ireland or Ireland's history, culture, and literature would have the lazy and completely unexamined impression that the Irish are all Catholics.

I find that shocking. We are neighbours after all, and a part of the island is a constituent part of the United Kingdom.of Great Britain and Northern Ireland. The rest of the island was a constituent part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland until about 105 years ago.

I also find it interesting that you think people associate Spain or Italy with Catholicism. This would only be relevant to someone who came from a Reformation-influenced cultural tradition.

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 03:15

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Well you have just confirmed what I stated you were alluding to as you think kids should be taught about Irish racism in schools presumably because you experienced it.

You are good at stirring up division I'll give you that.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 03:15

Before i go @Goldenbear what is your response to the poster who wrote this

"I grew up in early 90s Ireland as a child of an Irish mother and foreign father, I was treated better back then than recently in modern day diverse England.
Being diverse does not make your country welcoming, just look at USA, a melting pot of every culture you can think of with the majority of the population coming from immigrant backgrounds yet despite it all the racism and hatred is off the scale.

My time in England it was made clear to me that being anything other than white English was unwelcome, ironically for all your diversity you're far less accepting than many nations who are less diverse".

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Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 03:08

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 03:04

What racist incidents from kids?

You have posted about racist incidents on this thread and how the kids need to be taught about racism so I assumed you meant to educate them against racism towards Irish people otherwise why would you mention it. Do you honestly think racism is not covered in schools?

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 03:08

Motherscanbefuppers · 25/02/2026 03:04

Well no, that’s not actually historically accurate - unless you are from Dublin/The Pale and were raised CoI/Jewish/other minority religion, the Catholic Church held an almighty sway on Irish society, particularly education. I too am of similar age (slightly younger) and would be interested to know what free spirited school you and so many others went to, as it simply doesn’t tally with historic reality I’m afraid.

I'm not from Dublin. I wasnt raised any religion

So I was in school in the 1990s in Ireland.

The Catholic church definitely did not hold "an almighty sway" in my area at that time. I never really even saw anyone from the catholic church like priests or nuns.

In the 1990s lots of people from abroad had moved to Ireland. I remember muslims, hindus and athiests being at school with me.

Yes it is absolutely historically accurate

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Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 03:06

mathanxiety · 25/02/2026 02:59

@Goldenbear

What is your purpose in posting on this thread?

I have my own ideas based on your posts, but I'd like to see yours.

What? I was answering the thread on AIBU. Yes, I think they are being.

If we are discussing motivations I think there are many to whip up divisions and hate.

Motherscanbefuppers · 25/02/2026 03:04

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 20:19

Yes Im sure its different all over Ireland. The Catholic church presumably had more power in some parts than others.

I remember in my school there were a good few of us that weren't Catholic. We got out of doing religion class and had extra study at that time.

Well no, that’s not actually historically accurate - unless you are from Dublin/The Pale and were raised CoI/Jewish/other minority religion, the Catholic Church held an almighty sway on Irish society, particularly education. I too am of similar age (slightly younger) and would be interested to know what free spirited school you and so many others went to, as it simply doesn’t tally with historic reality I’m afraid.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 03:04

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 03:03

No I haven't I was surprised about the racist incidents from kids that have the knowledge and historical appreciation to be racist towards an Irish person as you were calling for it to be tackled in schools. It is in PSHE lessons but I don't think they teach kids about racism towards Irish people. It will be about all the racist incidents that are probably to do with skin colour and islamaphobia and anti-Semitism.

What racist incidents from kids?

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Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 03:03

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:56

Ive never denied that racist incidents happen in Ireland.

You, on the other hand have denied that racist incidents happen in the UK

No I haven't I was surprised about the racist incidents from kids that have the knowledge and historical appreciation to be racist towards an Irish person as you were calling for it to be tackled in schools. It is in PSHE lessons but I don't think they teach kids about racism towards Irish people. It will be about all the racist incidents that are probably to do with skin colour and islamaphobia and anti-Semitism.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 03:00

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:58

Why would you be so shocked, I don't get it, it's not that shocking that people relate Catholicism to Ireland like they do with Italy, Spain? People think of CofE with the UK as we have a constitutional monarchy

Because its absolutely nothing to do with me. I also don't know anyone in Ireland that is a practicing Catholic. It never ever comes up in conversation in my social circles.

There are a lot of Muslims in England. What if I said to you "ah you are English so you are a muslim"

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mathanxiety · 25/02/2026 02:59

@Goldenbear

What is your purpose in posting on this thread?

I have my own ideas based on your posts, but I'd like to see yours.

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:58

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:53

No. I have never once thought about Catholicism in my life. Its completely irrelevant to me.

Ive only thought about it when I moved to England and some people thought that I was Catholic. I was like ' huh. Why?!'

Why would you be so shocked, I don't get it, it's not that shocking that people relate Catholicism to Ireland like they do with Italy, Spain? People think of CofE with the UK as we have a constitutional monarchy

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:58

TheOchreJoker · 25/02/2026 02:55

I grew up in early 90s Ireland as a child of an Irish mother and foreign father, I was treated better back then than recently in modern day diverse England.
Being diverse does not make your country welcoming, just look at USA, a melting pot of every culture you can think of with the majority of the population coming from immigrant backgrounds yet despite it all the racism and hatred is off the scale.

My time in England it was made clear to me that being anything other than white English was unwelcome, ironically for all your diversity you're far less accepting than many nations who are less diverse.

Thats what I said! Thank you.

Im sorry that you experienced racism in England.

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mathanxiety · 25/02/2026 02:57

GarlicBound · 25/02/2026 02:37

You've also mentioned your Portuguese friend and a few others. I was thinking that being non-religious seems to be quite a strong feature of your personal identity - hence your annoyance at the incorrect assumption.

That in itself would be quite unusual in England, we don't care because we aren't pushing against anything.

I'm not the OP, obv, but I am Irish, and I can say for myself that my own intense annoyance would.come from being stereotyped.

Oh you're Irish so you must be ... (fill in the blank).

Stereotyping is inherently racist.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:56

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:54

Google racist incidents in Ireland what does it come up with?

Racist incidents of Irish people or racist incidents that are about anti-semitism, islamaphobia and skin colour?

Ive never denied that racist incidents happen in Ireland.

You, on the other hand have denied that racist incidents happen in the UK

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TheOchreJoker · 25/02/2026 02:55

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 00:51

This is hilarious, I can guarantee being a teenager in late 90s West London was a much more diverse place to grow up with kids at school whose heritage or religious affiliation was much more culturally diverse e.g. South Korean, Chinese, polish, Turkish, Czech, Jamaican, Jewish than late 90s Ireland let alone in 2026!

I grew up in early 90s Ireland as a child of an Irish mother and foreign father, I was treated better back then than recently in modern day diverse England.
Being diverse does not make your country welcoming, just look at USA, a melting pot of every culture you can think of with the majority of the population coming from immigrant backgrounds yet despite it all the racism and hatred is off the scale.

My time in England it was made clear to me that being anything other than white English was unwelcome, ironically for all your diversity you're far less accepting than many nations who are less diverse.

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:54

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:51

I think its you who has an unreal notion of England.

Google "racist incidents in England". How many do you see?

Google racist incidents in Ireland what does it come up with?

Racist incidents of Irish people or racist incidents that are about anti-semitism, islamaphobia and skin colour?

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:53

GarlicBound · 25/02/2026 02:50

I'd just say "Thanks, but I'm not". I wouldn't be offended, flattered, or take it personally at all.

Actually, I may well ask 'em what led them to think so, given I have none of what might be standard markers for Islam. Loads of people have assumed I'm Jewish, though. I either say I'm not Jewish or say nothing. I don't care.

I think you've missed the point a PP made about the pervasiveness of Catholicism in Ireland. It's a feature of your identity, purely by virtue of having grown up surrounded by it. Therefore, perhaps, you care more about NOT being Catholic than we would.

No. I have never once thought about Catholicism in my life. Its completely irrelevant to me.

Ive only thought about it when I moved to England and some people thought that I was Catholic. I was like ' huh. Why?!'

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Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:51

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:44

I disagree. I live near a lot of churches in England. On Sundays, there are always huge numbers of people going to them.

A lot of daycare, mother and baby groups and voluntary groups round here are also tied to the church of england

Baby groups aren't tied to the church they are 9 times out of 10 due to having a church hall, that is completely disingenuous. You must live in a very traditional area then.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:51

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:49

That's what the stats state. Fair enough they don't reflect your experiences but why do you and others on this thread have this really peculiar and totally unreal notion of England, it is just not reflective of most people's experiences in cities especially, people are not shocked by diversity, it just isn't uncommon at all. I only know one person who has English heritage going back through both families.

I think its you who has an unreal notion of England.

Google "racist incidents in England". How many do you see?

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GarlicBound · 25/02/2026 02:50

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:41

I think its just irritating for anyone - to be assumed to be something that has nothing to do with them.

What if I said to you Garlicbound. "Ah you are obviously a Muslim. There's a nice little Mosque down the road that you can go to"

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I'd just say "Thanks, but I'm not". I wouldn't be offended, flattered, or take it personally at all.

Actually, I may well ask 'em what led them to think so, given I have none of what might be standard markers for Islam. Loads of people have assumed I'm Jewish, though. I either say I'm not Jewish or say nothing. I don't care.

I think you've missed the point a PP made about the pervasiveness of Catholicism in Ireland. It's a feature of your identity, purely by virtue of having grown up surrounded by it. Therefore, perhaps, you care more about NOT being Catholic than we would.

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:49

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:36

Not true. A rapidly declining percentage of people identify as Catholic in Ireland. Especially amongst younger people.
If i ever go back to visit ireland , not one person that I know ever mentions Catholicism, no one goes to Catholic church.

The only people that i know that go to church are some people in my town who are in their 70s.

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That's what the stats state. Fair enough they don't reflect your experiences but why do you and others on this thread have this really peculiar and totally unreal notion of England, it is just not reflective of most people's experiences in cities especially, people are not shocked by diversity, it just isn't uncommon at all. I only know one person who has English heritage going back through both families.

Appleday11 · 25/02/2026 02:44

Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:42

Have you ever lived in Britain as church attendance is not high at all. Weddings and funerals are certainly not all in churches anymore.

The idea of Britain on his thread seems to be one from watching a drama set in the 50s like All Creatures Great and Small. My school and everyone I know was more like Grange Hill than Malory Towers and the area I lived in in West London was more like the comedy People Just Do Nothing with pirate radio and Garage music playing in most teenage rooms!

I disagree. I live near a lot of churches in England. On Sundays, there are always huge numbers of people going to them.

A lot of daycare, mother and baby groups and voluntary groups round here are also tied to the church of england

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Goldenbear · 25/02/2026 02:42

TheOchreJoker · 25/02/2026 02:33

I don't think you understand just how differently religion is viewed in Ireland compared to England.

For example on paper I tick the 'Christian' box, reason being is my family had me baptised in order to help secure a school place as that's what was done back then and once you're written into the Catholic registry that's where you stay for life so I'm on record as a Christian despite never actually being one.
Many (if not a majority) of Irish are 'paper Christians'(Catholic/Protestant/other on paper only), which heavily skews statistics. I know very few people of any background who actually believe in a god/gods or religious doctrine.
Despite neither believing or practicing a religion many Irish still tick (Christian) on forms, census and have church weddings/funerals out of cultural habit/convenience/aesthetic etc.. rather than any genuine religious conviction.

We appear religious to people on the outside looking in who don't understand our cultural nuance but reality is for all the religious iconography and churches we have their attendance is very sparse and far less than UK, we're at the point foreign missionaries are coming here trying to convert people as a result and our priests are dying out with no replacements which few people seem to care about either.

Like your work colleague I could give you a detailed description of Irish funeral rites and customs, I could word for word recite the prayers and blessings in both Gaeilge, English and partial Latin, you'd also likely see and hear me make religious references/sayings day to day yet I don't believe in any of it. It would simply be out of habit and while Irish people would be able to tell I'm not religious an English person would likely mistake me for very religious.

Have you ever lived in Britain as church attendance is not high at all. Weddings and funerals are certainly not all in churches anymore.

The idea of Britain on his thread seems to be one from watching a drama set in the 50s like All Creatures Great and Small. My school and everyone I know was more like Grange Hill than Malory Towers and the area I lived in in West London was more like the comedy People Just Do Nothing with pirate radio and Garage music playing in most teenage rooms!

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