To think the new halal and kosher labelling bill is a great idea?

It does impact my life as I want to live in a secular society. Why does that make me a bigot? I don’t have to accept religion being forced on us like this, just because apparently it doesn’t matter to me.

🙄That’s hardly my point.

Shouldn’t that be the same in most slsughterhouses?

Well it is when most meat in London restaurants and take aways are halal, most meat your children eat in schools and in our work canteens. My work canteen has served halal meat only for 15 years. It’s not labelled. Did you not know this?

Why would I know anything about what food is served in your work canteen?

Well it is when most meat in London restaurants and take aways are halal, most meat your children eat in schools and in our work canteens. My work canteen has served halal meat only for 15 years. It’s not labelled. Did you not know this?

It isn't being introduced to the entire population though.

It’s not religious prejudice to want to live in a secular society. I don’t have an issue with halal meat being produced for Muslims and labelled as such. I do have an issue with this being introduced to the entire population in a Christmas / largely secular society. What’s next from Muslim pressure groups?

I worked in several slaughterhouses while training. I’m more concerned about how animals are transported prior to slaughter than how they are killed. I think that’s the biggest animal welfare concern. The fact that there are fewer and fewer abbatoirs means animals can be transported miles and miles to be killed. Thankfully it’s now illegal for live animals to be transported overseas to be killed. This law only came into force a couple of years ago.

OP, the majority of halal slaughtered cattle and other animals are stunned before being killed whereas kosher slaughtered animals are never stunned. It isn’t the exact same process at all. The stunning is an important step in ensuring the animals die humanely.

One important thing to remember is that 99.9% of slaughtermen just want to get on with their job and process the animal as quickly and safely as possible. That means it’s very much in their interests to ensure the animals are calm prior to being killed and that they are killed as quickly and efficiently as possible. If animals are suffering and take a long time to die then it affects the meat. Meat is extremely valuable and businesses aren’t going to risk producing low quality meat.

I once saw a big cull cow that wasn’t killed instantly by being electrically stunned and came too as it was being hoisted. It was really distressed and thrashing around. IPicture how dangerous that is. The slaughtermen treated it very seriously.

All areas in abbatoirs (in England, Scotland and Wales ) where there are live animals and where animals are killed have to have (good quality) cctv that must be available for the independent veterinary offficer (employed by the food standards agency) to see. I know there will always be some rogue abbatoirs but most are well regulated.

I don't particularly understand it, but if someone wants to utter some words, oh well doesn't impact my life in the slightest. So just your bigotry showing..

I assume you share the same town centres and workplaces and consume the same oxygen with people who do not share values that align with yours? An abattoir that subcontracts part of its space to Muslims/Jews/PETA/ humanists does not in any way impact the service it is providing to you as a consumer. Your meat, should you wish to eat meat is not religious, nor tainted in any way. It's a dead animal. By all means don't eat halal or kosher, but if you object because you have religious prejudice, just come out and say it, don't dress it up as animal welfare concerns.

I want to live in a secular society. What people believe in private is each to their own, but I don’t see why we should introduce Muslim prayers in slaughterhouses in a Christian/ mainly secular country.

If the slaughterhouses have no religious denomination, they should not be praying / play prayers while slaughtering the animals.

How can you say this means nothing to me as I am not a believer? It does mean something to me as I want to live in a secular society. Not where religious pressure groups manage to introduce prayers in a slaughterhouse because “it means nothing to non Muslims”.

If the slaughterhouses have no religious denomination, they should not be praying / play prayers while slaughtering the animals.

How can you say this means nothing to me as I am not a believer? It does mean something to me as I want to live in a secular society. Not where religious pressure groups manage to introduce prayers in a slaughterhouse because “it means nothing to non Muslims”.

The slaughterhouses have no religious denomination as far as I'm aware. A Muslim or Jew saying something before they slaughter an animal will not make the slaughterhouse any less secular. It means nothing to you if you are not a believer.

From what I understand, Muslims eat from kosher but Jews do not eat from Muslims?

I don’t know I’m afraid, but sounds plausible given that some halal is pre-stunned, which kosher doesn’t allow.

I just know some Christian’s, depending on their interpretation of the bible, won’t consume meat blessed by another religion. There’s another but I can’t remember which religion it is.

From what I understand, Muslims eat from kosher but Jews do not eat from Muslims?

Some religions don’t permit consumption of meat blessed by other religions.

I want to live in a secular society. What people believe in private is each to their own, but I don’t see why we should introduce Muslim prayers in slaughterhouses in a Christian/ mainly secular country.

What's the issue with Muslim prayers being played in the UK?

What's the issue with Muslim prayers being played in the UK?