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Cristopher Colombia in primary school curriculum

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Donotfitin · 24/02/2026 17:24

So the school just sent the curriculum
for my DS year (Y1). They called him a “significant explorer”. I immediately queried it, because as a Latin American he’s seen as a very divisive figure who brought rape, disease, and genocide. In my country (Mexico) we’ve completely removed that date from
our calendar, and the statues, etc… have now been removed.

I‘m not against it, but I just want a nuanced approach. So AIBU?

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Donotfitin · 24/02/2026 19:34

Moonmelodies · 24/02/2026 19:33

Given the achievements of European people compared to those native to the Americas up to that point, they would be right, no?

Are you for real?

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Moonmelodies · 24/02/2026 19:33

Donotfitin · 24/02/2026 17:57

I mean some Spaniards (obvious generalisation) think that they brought civilisation to us. Which is what you you experienced.

Given the achievements of European people compared to those native to the Americas up to that point, they would be right, no?

PistachioTiramisu · 24/02/2026 19:31

More moaners! Stop whinging about things which happened 400+ years ago.

Talipesmum · 24/02/2026 19:28

persephonia · 24/02/2026 18:33

An equivalent would be "the brave and civilising Romans came to Britain. Some of the savage local inhabitants led by a crazy woman (who was really angry for reasons no-one understand) had a short-lived brutish uprising against them but other than that it was all bathhouses and roads. And even the illiterate locals learned not to live in bogs".
That's not how the Romans in Britain are taught.

That’s not an equivalent of the way Columbus is taught at ks1. Have you actually looked at the curriculum content?

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:28

MrsHaroldWilson · 24/02/2026 19:25

I can't comment on the current curriculum but my history GCSE in the late 80s, South England, very thoroughly covered Cromwell's atrocities, in a module called "The Irish Question". I hope it is still taught.

The Irish question sounds a bit too similiar to the Jewish Question.

The jewish Question - was how Hitler discissed exterminating Europe's Jews.

AlastheDaffodils · 24/02/2026 19:27

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:03

History books are all corrupt. Several countries change and whitewash history to make themselves look better. As they say, history books are usually written by people to hide what happened and make themselves look better

I mean the UK invading Ireland was a HUGE part of recent history, but if I ask people in England about it, most people arent even aware of what happened. Because its been whitewashed out of history classes.

I see a Palestinian youtuber talk to Israelis on tiktok about the conflict there. Every single young Israeli that he talks to has a completely wrong idea of what happened. They are taught at a young age that Israel is completely innocent and Palestinians are the wrong ones. Its a lot more nuances than that

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This is an interesting example of contested history. As a British person I would suggest that the UK has never invaded Ireland (the various waves of invasion, though very real, were before the creation of the UK, and I’m not sure you can identify a French-speaking Norman dynasty who had recently conquered England as being English anyway, or indeed a dictator who seized power in a civil war). But I’m sure we’ll disagree, and that’s ok, because it illustrates the point of this thread: almost anything in history that’s important is contested, and there’s no such thing as “unbiased” or “neutral” history.

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:27

Chicaontour · 24/02/2026 19:24

History is written by the victors. I am sure that the hiatory classes in the UK dont focus on man made famines caused by colonists in Ireland and India.

Exactly. Some countries - if they do something bad in the past - they just want people to not know about it.

Germany seems to be an exception. They really educate Germany's youth on Germany's past.

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:25

Coffeeandbooks88 · 24/02/2026 19:13

More people in the UK are aware of this than Irish people think. Perhaps we can also teach some Irish kids that it wasn't just the English that participated in what happened in Ireland. It goes both ways.

I don't know. I live in the UK and if I ever mention what happened in Ireland, the people here do not know about it.

The English education system definitely chose to whitewash it.

Cherrysoup · 24/02/2026 19:25

AWedgeOfLemonAndASmartAnswerForEverything · 24/02/2026 19:19

It's also very weird, considering Columbus never set foot in North America. Is Columbus Day still a thing?

It’s every October.

MrsHaroldWilson · 24/02/2026 19:25

MadKeepsake · 24/02/2026 18:59

Read your post through again, and blush.

You’re not in the least unreasonable, OP. I was very clear with DS and his teachers that the version of Oliver Cromwell he encountered in the English school system wouldn’t be the one who was responsible for the massacre of thousands of civilians in Drogheda and Wexford, a war criminal who ran a campaign of ethnic cleansing.

I can't comment on the current curriculum but my history GCSE in the late 80s, South England, very thoroughly covered Cromwell's atrocities, in a module called "The Irish Question". I hope it is still taught.

Chicaontour · 24/02/2026 19:24

History is written by the victors. I am sure that the hiatory classes in the UK dont focus on man made famines caused by colonists in Ireland and India.

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:24

Hulloola · 24/02/2026 19:21

Well it’s your interpretation of ‘wrong’ isn’t it? Obviously the Israeli school system have a different perspective to you and this YouTuber. I expect they would say that the Hamas interpretation taught to Palestinians is a bit dodgy.

History as a subject is increasingly fraught and political, but imo at secondary schools are good at teaching students to consider different sources and then make their own arguments.

These young people all say that Israel did nothing at all wrong. Ever. When many sources disprove that.

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:23

I wonder how much we were taught in history is actually true. Obviously recording of history was affected by societal norms at the times. For exampe men were seen as more important than women.

Its recently come out that inventions that were originally recorded as being invented by menn - were actually invented by women.

JHound · 24/02/2026 19:21

Dollymylove · 24/02/2026 17:58

I think there is enough virtue signalling in schools already. Sanitising everything so nobody gets offended.
No wonder the country is in such a mess!!

Why is teaching proper history “virtue signalling and sanitising”?

What OP is suggesting is the opposite of sanitising.

Hulloola · 24/02/2026 19:21

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:03

History books are all corrupt. Several countries change and whitewash history to make themselves look better. As they say, history books are usually written by people to hide what happened and make themselves look better

I mean the UK invading Ireland was a HUGE part of recent history, but if I ask people in England about it, most people arent even aware of what happened. Because its been whitewashed out of history classes.

I see a Palestinian youtuber talk to Israelis on tiktok about the conflict there. Every single young Israeli that he talks to has a completely wrong idea of what happened. They are taught at a young age that Israel is completely innocent and Palestinians are the wrong ones. Its a lot more nuances than that

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Well it’s your interpretation of ‘wrong’ isn’t it? Obviously the Israeli school system have a different perspective to you and this YouTuber. I expect they would say that the Hamas interpretation taught to Palestinians is a bit dodgy.

History as a subject is increasingly fraught and political, but imo at secondary schools are good at teaching students to consider different sources and then make their own arguments.

AWedgeOfLemonAndASmartAnswerForEverything · 24/02/2026 19:19

Cherrysoup · 24/02/2026 19:17

Maybe obsession is too strong, but Since 1971, when Columbus Day became an officially recognized federal holiday in the United States, it has been observed on the second Monday in October, as commemorated by annual Presidential proclamation noting Columbus' achievements (according to a quick search).

Does the POTUS seriously proclaim his achievements? That strikes me as poor, given Columbus was as described in multiple posts, a slave owner and all round incompetent, horrible person.

It's also very weird, considering Columbus never set foot in North America. Is Columbus Day still a thing?

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:19

TheGoddessAthena · 24/02/2026 17:26

Maybe they'll teach the kids to spell his name?

Do you really think that an Italian man was called Christopher Columbus? Of course that name has been anglicised for UK history books

Womaninhouse17 · 24/02/2026 19:19

'Significant' isn't necessarily a positive thing. And they may well cover some of the negative aspects although, for Yr1, it's likely to be a very broad overview.

Cherrysoup · 24/02/2026 19:17

Shitmonger · 24/02/2026 19:13

What North American obsession? American children are taught that he was a horrible coloniser that spread disease and destruction in his path. In fact for decades now the curriculum in the US has focused on the horrors of colonialism against the indigenous people. My American cousins talked about it when they were in school.

Maybe obsession is too strong, but Since 1971, when Columbus Day became an officially recognized federal holiday in the United States, it has been observed on the second Monday in October, as commemorated by annual Presidential proclamation noting Columbus' achievements (according to a quick search).

Does the POTUS seriously proclaim his achievements? That strikes me as poor, given Columbus was as described in multiple posts, a slave owner and all round incompetent, horrible person.

Donotfitin · 24/02/2026 19:16

Hulloola · 24/02/2026 19:15

History is an academic subject. The opinions and ‘lived experience’ of the students are not relevant and actually it’s not really appropriate to bring up people’s heritage at school. If you feel they are not teaching accurately, you can raise that with school or just talk to your son yourself but I’d wait to see what they actually teach him before going in all guns blazing.

Which is why I asked for a copy of the curriculum.

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WiseSheep · 24/02/2026 19:16

At my school it is used as a way to introduce students to the idea that Histories are plural so this could be the idea here. I do hope so.

Jamesblonde2 · 24/02/2026 19:16

But you’re not in Mexico. You do realise if you go and live in China, Georgia or Nigeria the curriculum will be completely different and taught from a different perspective?

I wouldn’t preach if I went to live in Mexico and they taught a different curriculum. YABU.

Hulloola · 24/02/2026 19:15

Donotfitin · 24/02/2026 17:42

But they need to listen to the voice of the diversity within their classroom.

My son is partially of indigenous heritage…. His (and mine) ancestors suffered the consequences of his actions.

History is an academic subject. The opinions and ‘lived experience’ of the students are not relevant and actually it’s not really appropriate to bring up people’s heritage at school. If you feel they are not teaching accurately, you can raise that with school or just talk to your son yourself but I’d wait to see what they actually teach him before going in all guns blazing.

Appleday11 · 24/02/2026 19:15

Coffeeandbooks88 · 24/02/2026 19:10

You mean the Normans? The UK didn't exist at that point.

What? Im talking about last century. Ireland didnt get independence from the UK until last century. The UK refused to give all of Ireland back, they said that the UK wanted to keep Northern Ireland.

This partition of Ireland caused the Irish civil war and later caused the troubles in Northern Ireland which continued on until very recently.

Coffeeandbooks88 · 24/02/2026 19:13

MadKeepsake · 24/02/2026 18:59

Read your post through again, and blush.

You’re not in the least unreasonable, OP. I was very clear with DS and his teachers that the version of Oliver Cromwell he encountered in the English school system wouldn’t be the one who was responsible for the massacre of thousands of civilians in Drogheda and Wexford, a war criminal who ran a campaign of ethnic cleansing.

More people in the UK are aware of this than Irish people think. Perhaps we can also teach some Irish kids that it wasn't just the English that participated in what happened in Ireland. It goes both ways.

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