15 year-old know it all son

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Cancel the cheque.

My15yo is the same. Commiserations

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Sounds like the typical thing a Capricorn would say.

I think it depends on the sort of support the teen has had in the past from parents and from school. In relation to good schools, good study skills will be all around them and it is easier to leave them to it. In relation to a lot of (probably most) schools, however, more time is spent on behaviour than on learning or study skills, and without parents stepping in and giving a lot of guidance, and sometimes resources, a midteen can't be left to it and to do well. And it depends on anxiety levels too, if a teen is so stressed for whatever reason they can't think straight then more support is needed. And if a teen is behind then they are looking at potentially a mountain of work and won't be able to be left to it.

I don't think your description is "leaving them to it" incidentally, I'd say your description is medium level fairly hands on as you are checking up?

I don't think nagging is helpful, though, I agree! I think coercion and bribery is more likely to be successful, ha. With a very anxious teen, or someone very behind, reading through notes with them bit by bit and allowing them to learn those bits and testing them is really effective. It shows them how to do it when they are ready to do it themselves.

So you also think it's perfectly fine for a child to be so rude to their parents? They don't have to believe in it, but there are books on it so the DH was probably just talking about what he's learned from that. A lot of people think the bible is 'bollocks', it's still studied and they even talk about different religions in schools.

My teenage DS's don't agree with everything I say, but they don't tell me I'm talking 'bollocks'. Same way when they think something that I don't agree with I don't speak to them like that either. It's called respect.

Because astrology is a load of bollocks and it isn’t something you can be “knowledgeable” about

Listen to your husband. Let him fail his mocks! Maybe knock some of the foolishness out of him.

Astrology is a bad subject and should not be in the household and is certainly NOT education! No one should be promoting astrology to anyone under 18. Lies and superstition.

I think you are taking the piss now Annie.

This isn't helpful.

Reading the thread could be though.

Did you mean astronomy rather than astrology? PP may not be a big believer in star signs which is why they may have been a little unkind.

This

Sounds like a typical smartarse teenager to me.

Yes just ignore them OP.

Those who actually have parented teen boys get you 100%.

Take no notice of them, @Spiritedlight.

They’re talking shite, @SpiritedlightThey know nothing about you or your son.

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He sounds like my ds. I do draw the line at back seat driving, from someone whom hasn't even turned the car on yet.

Also a fan of bare minimum. A lot of it is striving for independence, practising doing it his way. We dog walk a lot. He lectures me, then eventually he runs out of steam and talks normally. It doesn't last.

He joined the cadets, which helps and gets him out of the house two evenings a week and some weekends. He almost certainly thinks we are boring middle aged old farts whom unbelievably hold down jobs. He keeps this to himself mostly.

Any shit, wifi off.

I think it is something about 15 yr olds. My son is currently the same. I have learnt to let it go. I give my opinion/fact/idea. It is up to him whether he takes it on board or not. He can then deal with his own mistakes. I have found he is at that age where they are starting to realise parents don't know it all, realise they still have a lot to learn but stubbornly don't want to admit it, and trying to navigate all the hormones etc, as well as all the challenges that comes with no longer being a child, but still not yet a man.

He’s clearly been spoiled and over indulged earlier in life. Reap what you sow.

Completely true. I spoke to one of my son’s teacher when my son was 15 because I was concerned about his lack of focus and motivation to study. He told me that in his 20 years of teaching, boys mature later than girls and for the most part (there are always exeptions before the Mumsnet brigade tell me how focussed their 15 yr olds are) it takes boys until they have a real goal in mind like a university course or otherwise before they are motivated to really to any work, they just don’t see the point in it any earlier. So realistically it can even be 17/18. I have a girl and two boys and the two boys have had a completely different attitude the whole way along. One of my boys age 17 is in his penultimate year before university (5th yr in Ireland, they leave school at end of 6th year) and the penny has suddenly dropped!!

So in no way write your son off now, he’ll get there and it doesn’t even have to be a particularly academic route x

I read about 30 comments before posting which was sufficient I felt....I didn't want to have to read pages and pages in to the thread on the off chance that this issue has already been addressed

This was established ages ago. The OP corrected it 10 minutes later.

Do you mean astronomy (not astrology)?