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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:43

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:01

I've now seen multiple people saying the apology isn't good enough, it should be live and public.

It's almost bleakly funny at this point. A high stress, live, public situation and a sufferer of Tourettes and coprolalia. It would sound like a Tarantino film in a Scottish accent.

The people calling for it are actually just putting their unmitigated ignorance on display for all to see. An apology carries with it the expectation of change. JD’s condition means he is fundamentally incapable of meeting that expectation. So an apology will give the baying mob the satisfaction they demand, even though they haven’t got the brains to understand that it’s completely hollow and meaningless. They’re essentially demanding he apologise for being disabled. It’s unconscionable.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:42

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:39

Who are the white people you refer to?

Once again you are assuming the ethnicity of people on here simply by their opinions and that is not a good look for anyone.

Am I wrong? I think not.

If there are any POC here who think leaving in the N word- or P word- or C word to be broadcast to millions serves as a useful educational tool, do speak up.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:39

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:32

Why is it childish? if people think I am being racist by listening to PoC over white people on how they feel about racist slurs left unedited, by all means report me.

I will also listen to women over men on being called cunts and sluts.

Who are the white people you refer to?

Once again you are assuming the ethnicity of people on here simply by their opinions and that is not a good look for anyone.

Auroraloves · 25/02/2026 10:38

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 08:53

Of course not. The buddy of Diddy and Epstein, with the sexual assault allegations against him , has not apologised.

But isn’t this convenient that no one is talking about the much bigger issue of the Epstein files now, love the distraction from the powers that be

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:36

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:34

SOME black Mners have hid this thread. You do not and can not know the ethnicity of the vast majority of people on here simply by what they post.

Ok. As I said, please report me if you find me a reverse racist.
I am not stopping anyone from speaking up.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:36

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

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Have you stopped to think that one of the reasons for that may be down to your own activity on this thread ? You act as though you are speaking for all people of colour and ‘explaining’ issues to other posters as though they don’t understand, when in actual fact they understand perfectly, they just don’t agree with you. Your response to anyone who doesn’t share your opinion is to change the nature of the conversation solely to discredit their perfectly valid and balanced comments and put yourself in a better light.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:34

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

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SOME black Mners have hid this thread. You do not and can not know the ethnicity of the vast majority of people on here simply by what they post.

grumpygrape · 25/02/2026 10:34

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 08:02

@NemesisInferiorive read it. I understand the condition. I STILL have the same viewpoint.

john doesn’t attend the BAFTA’s everyday and call two high profile actors a n*a. So he can still apologise in scenerios that are not his everyday when he ends up offending them so publicly.

Forgive me if this has already been said but my understanding is that BAFTA made a statement before the ceremony to warn people there may be involuntary verbal tics and Alan Cumming addressed the comments during the broadcast.

The BBC team had edited one comment out but the editing team didn't hear the second one.

It's all a storm in a teacup. I don't think apologies are necessary, explanations maybe, but, as I said, there was an explanation before the ceremony.

I worked in an office once where we dealt with a number of people with Tourette syndrome and I was warned. The first time I encountered being shouted at it did still take me by surprise but I didn't feel I needed an apology each time it happened.

For what it's worth, most of the insults were extremely personal and as one of the men was black, colour did come into his comments.

scottishgirl69 · 25/02/2026 10:33

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

He's on record as saying he's mortified

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:32

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:29

That's just a childish response and is you not engaging again

Why is it childish? if people think I am being racist by listening to PoC over white people on how they feel about racist slurs left unedited, by all means report me.

I will also listen to women over men on being called cunts and sluts.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:29

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:25

Report me.

That's just a childish response and is you not engaging again

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:27

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:25

Report me.

How mature. Credibility blown.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:25

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:24

Except that's what was being discussed and once again you changed the discussion to try and make you look better and discredit others

You've done it time and time again here

Report me.

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:24

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

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No. Absolutely not. Agreeing to disagree is just preserving the status quo.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:24

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:18

No? I didn't say he did. Stop putting words in my mouth.

Except that's what was being discussed and once again you changed the discussion to try and make you look better and discredit others

You've done it time and time again here

CasperGutman · 25/02/2026 10:23

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime.

There are legitimate criticisms to be made about editing decisions at BAFTA and the BBC, and communications after the event, but it would be grossly unfair to suggest that these unfortunate events can tell us anything about racism - conscious or unconscious - on the part of John Davidson. All that was needed was an awareness that the n-word is strongly taboo, and an association between that word and the people on the stage. We don't have to look far or assume any underlying racism to find a perfectly plausible origin for such an association.

The film Sinners, which features both Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo, includes a good deal of profanity and multiple instances of racial slurs. It is hardly surprising that there would be an association in John Davidson's mind between those two actors in particular and the language used in their film (which he would presumably have seen, given that it was heavily nominated for awards including in categories in which his own film was nominated).

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 10:23

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:58

Ok. I am cool with that.
We won't be used as teaching aids.
Deal with it.

Disabled people are frequently used as teaching aids, or educational tools by society.

There’s research which overwhelmingly supports the view that disabled people are put in positions where they must educate other people about the nature of disability, and why stigma prevails even in modern ‘enlightened’ times. It’s seen as essential to promote understanding and to facilitate acceptance in wider society. And it’s a position in which JD willingly put himself in order to promote inclusion and to challenge prejudice.

Inanely repeating the words ‘we won’t be used as teaching aids’ isn’t the clever deflection you think it is because it demonstrates that you have no understanding of what ‘teaching aid’ means in this context.

Every cohort of society has something to teach others, and to that end we’re all the teaching tools of our experience for the benefit of society as a whole. Unless, of course, you’re of the opinion that PoC have nothing to bring to the table in that respect. I’d disagree, but we’re all entitled to our own views.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:22

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:20

I have read the entire thread and actually thought up until your ‘I am not interested in hearing white people tell me what PoC need’ comment you were making some valid points. This lost you lost all credibility.

’We won't be used as teaching aids’ certainly suggests you are attempting to speak for all POC.

Ok. I think.many people here have lost all credibility. We will have to agree to disagree, won't we? Black Mners have hid this thread mostly and are discussing elsewhere, so they aren't speaking out.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 10:20

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:08

Ok. I think there have been ridiculous expectations of PoC on here so that's where I am coming from. Did you read the whole thread? Pl read my words in context.

What you think of me is your own business. I am not speaking for all PoC. I am speaking in my own capacity as an organiser of diverse events..Nothing here has convinced me that I need to allow racial slurs- innocent or not- to be sent out.

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I have read the entire thread and actually thought up until your ‘I am not interested in hearing white people tell me what PoC need’ comment you were making some valid points. This lost you lost all credibility.

’We won't be used as teaching aids’ certainly suggests you are attempting to speak for all POC.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:18

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:17

Did he also ask for Foxx and others to abuse him and send death threats???

No? I didn't say he did. Stop putting words in my mouth.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 10:17

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 09:44

It's interesting that some of the disability advocates here are so invested in calling others ableist that they ignore the views of actual disabled people.

JD himself WANTED his tics edited out . Before the event. But of course he doesn't get a say!

Did he also ask for Foxx and others to abuse him and send death threats???

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:17

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:15

I feel like it's John that's been used as a teaching aid here, and what we've been taught isn't pretty.

He definitely has been used by BAFTA and the BBC.They threw him under the bus.

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 10:15

I feel like it's John that's been used as a teaching aid here, and what we've been taught isn't pretty.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 10:14

JasmineMac · 25/02/2026 10:11

Interesting is very polite of you, given (28 pages later) tedious would be a far more apt description 😂

Protesting that you won't accept being utilised as a teaching aid, when you're the only person who has proposed being used as a teaching aid, is also 'interesting' 😂

You can leave if it's tedious. Or report me.
Allowing racial slurs in broadcasts is using PoC as a teaching aid. This is not a niche viewpoint.

JasmineMac · 25/02/2026 10:11

DotAndCarryOne2 · 25/02/2026 09:59

Not hairsplitting, nuance. Something l believe you yourself were advocating for on behalf of people of colour. Interesting that you don’t think it extends to disabled people.

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Interesting is very polite of you, given (28 pages later) tedious would be a far more apt description 😂

Protesting that you won't accept being utilised as a teaching aid, when you're the only person who has proposed being used as a teaching aid, is also 'interesting' 😂

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