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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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Chimen · 25/02/2026 12:41

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 12:20

Why shouldn't they show some decency though? John has issued so many statements that he doesn't need to because he's trying to make things right and, according to many on here, that's the decent thing to do. Why isn't it the decent thing for DL and MBJ to issue a statement calling for people to show understanding? Why should they stay silent and allow others to issue death threats and abuse?

You've not actually answered that and always deflect away

(And that wasn't why you were called racist either. Try again)

This is ridiculous.
you don’t expect John to say something about the racism DL and MBJ are currently getting.

That would be the decent thing to do as he unintentionally put them in this situation.

Why should they say anything about John and feed the internet beast…

It’s an all round shit situation for those involved.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:39

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:32

I have answered it. Told I was speaking for all PoC.

So let me try again: Personally speaking, I will never issue a statement supporting anyone who makes a racial slur against me, Tourettes or not. I won't attack them either. I will simply walk away, as is my right. It is not my job to educate people. Let the Tourettes Society do the work. I have done plenty of work and have enough to do to defend myself, given the current climate against brown immigrants.

I assume that MBJ and DL feel the same..But of course I cant speak for them. That would be very, very wrong.

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You weren’t told you were speaking for all POC, you declared yourself the voice of all POC.

Big difference.

MissyMooPoo2 · 25/02/2026 12:32

CasperGutman · 25/02/2026 10:23

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime.

There are legitimate criticisms to be made about editing decisions at BAFTA and the BBC, and communications after the event, but it would be grossly unfair to suggest that these unfortunate events can tell us anything about racism - conscious or unconscious - on the part of John Davidson. All that was needed was an awareness that the n-word is strongly taboo, and an association between that word and the people on the stage. We don't have to look far or assume any underlying racism to find a perfectly plausible origin for such an association.

The film Sinners, which features both Michael B Jordan and Delroy Lindo, includes a good deal of profanity and multiple instances of racial slurs. It is hardly surprising that there would be an association in John Davidson's mind between those two actors in particular and the language used in their film (which he would presumably have seen, given that it was heavily nominated for awards including in categories in which his own film was nominated).

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This is a very good point.

grumpygrape · 25/02/2026 12:32

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:54

'You want people with ‘Alzheimers, those with schizophrenia, personality disorders etc.’ to ‘demonstrate awareness’? What a ridiculous thing to say'

I said sufferers and their carers. So someone with alzheimers I'd expect their carers to know what social settings would be appropriate.

Would you let me have a list of social settings where I shouldn’t take my Alzheimer’s sufferer husband? Just so I know.

Oh, and what if he didn’t have a ‘carer’, how would he know where to avoid considering most Alzheimer’s sufferers can’t remember recent instructions for more than about 30 seconds?

I thought we lived in a free society, not one where judgemental people were unable to realise that people with physical and mental disabilities are no longer locked away unless they are a danger to the rest of society.

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:32

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 12:20

Why shouldn't they show some decency though? John has issued so many statements that he doesn't need to because he's trying to make things right and, according to many on here, that's the decent thing to do. Why isn't it the decent thing for DL and MBJ to issue a statement calling for people to show understanding? Why should they stay silent and allow others to issue death threats and abuse?

You've not actually answered that and always deflect away

(And that wasn't why you were called racist either. Try again)

I have answered it. Told I was speaking for all PoC.

So let me try again: Personally speaking, I will never issue a statement supporting anyone who makes a racial slur against me, Tourettes or not. I won't attack them either. I will simply walk away, as is my right. It is not my job to educate people. Let the Tourettes Society do the work. I have done plenty of work and have enough to do to defend myself, given the current climate against brown immigrants.

I assume that MBJ and DL feel the same..But of course I cant speak for them. That would be very, very wrong.

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 12:22

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 12:10

'And yet you're advocating for them to be kept out of civilisation'

No hun, not kept out of civilisation at all.

When you have a condition/disability you can do some things and not others, sadly that is life. If you have a verbal tic which includes offensive words and racial slurs <through not fault of your own/with no intent but still highly offensive> then consideration should also be given to people you'll be mixing with.

That would mean never leaving the house or being in public. House arrest.
, effectively.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 12:20

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:14

Yes, I said I will take the views of PoC on racist slurs over white people. Happy to own up to it if that is racism.I will say it a dozen times.

If women on here can tell men off for mansplaining and childfree people can tell mums off for parentsplaining, I can counter racialslurssplaining.

The last straw is posters expecting MBJ and DL to issue a statement supporting JD.
Fuck that! ( profanity alllowed on MN).

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Why shouldn't they show some decency though? John has issued so many statements that he doesn't need to because he's trying to make things right and, according to many on here, that's the decent thing to do. Why isn't it the decent thing for DL and MBJ to issue a statement calling for people to show understanding? Why should they stay silent and allow others to issue death threats and abuse?

You've not actually answered that and always deflect away

(And that wasn't why you were called racist either. Try again)

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:19

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:14

Yes, I said I will take the views of PoC on racist slurs over white people. Happy to own up to it if that is racism.I will say it a dozen times.

If women on here can tell men off for mansplaining and childfree people can tell mums off for parentsplaining, I can counter racialslurssplaining.

The last straw is posters expecting MBJ and DL to issue a statement supporting JD.
Fuck that! ( profanity alllowed on MN).

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But you’re not taking the views of POC, you are deciding the ethnicity of people on here based upon whether they agree with you or not and deciding that those who disagree must be white.

I’ll give you one thing, you’re an expert in twisting things to fit your narrative.

MaddieJo22 · 25/02/2026 12:18

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:36

@XenoBitchhis apology DOES mean something to millions of black people all around the world.

You raise interesting points. He has a disability, a neurological condition, and literally cannot help it. I personally do not think he should be made to apologise for having a disability or forced into the margins of society because of it. Should BAFTA or the BBC even apologise for someone else's disability? Honestly, I'm not sure. People don't apologise for other disabilities so it's setting a dangerous precedent. However, I can understand on an emotional level why people felt uncomfortable by what he said, even though I think there was no malicious intent behind it, it was purely physiological. I think these circumstances were very unique. Both PoC and people with disabilities are minority groups and ultimately I would hope they'd come together and recognise and support one another, however difficult.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 12:16

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 12:10

'And yet you're advocating for them to be kept out of civilisation'

No hun, not kept out of civilisation at all.

When you have a condition/disability you can do some things and not others, sadly that is life. If you have a verbal tic which includes offensive words and racial slurs <through not fault of your own/with no intent but still highly offensive> then consideration should also be given to people you'll be mixing with.

It is exactly that though

You think they should be limited on where they can go

Maybe we shouldn't bother with ramps into buildings. They're inconvenient and take up space. Sure some disabled people can't then access the building but that's life and consideration should be given to those who have to get around the ramps!

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:14

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:09

This is not why you were accused of being racist as well you know.

Yes, I said I will take the views of PoC on racist slurs over white people. Happy to own up to it if that is racism.I will say it a dozen times.

If women on here can tell men off for mansplaining and childfree people can tell mums off for parentsplaining, I can counter racialslurssplaining.

The last straw is posters expecting MBJ and DL to issue a statement supporting JD.
Fuck that! ( profanity alllowed on MN).

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:13

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 12:10

'And yet you're advocating for them to be kept out of civilisation'

No hun, not kept out of civilisation at all.

When you have a condition/disability you can do some things and not others, sadly that is life. If you have a verbal tic which includes offensive words and racial slurs <through not fault of your own/with no intent but still highly offensive> then consideration should also be given to people you'll be mixing with.

If you have a verbal tic which includes offensive words and racial slurs <through not fault of your own/with no intent but still highly offensive> then consideration should also be given BY THE people you'll be mixing with.

Fixed it for you.

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 12:10

'And yet you're advocating for them to be kept out of civilisation'

No hun, not kept out of civilisation at all.

When you have a condition/disability you can do some things and not others, sadly that is life. If you have a verbal tic which includes offensive words and racial slurs <through not fault of your own/with no intent but still highly offensive> then consideration should also be given to people you'll be mixing with.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:09

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:06

I am a PoC. The only one here, perhaps! Or the only one speaking up lately.

All I want is for the slurs to have been edited- now done- and an enquiry into the BBC/ BAFTA, and why they didn't edit the tics earlier when they edited ' piss".

I do not want JD excluded or attacked in any way as it's clear he meant no malice. He has apologised.

But apparently this means I am racist and MN is looking at my posts. Look away I say.

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This is not why you were accused of being racist as well you know.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:07

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

Should my blind aunt never leave the house for fear of walking into someone? Or is she being inconsiderate of others when she does?

CharlotteRumpling · 25/02/2026 12:06

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

I am a PoC. The only one here, perhaps! Or the only one speaking up lately.

All I want is for the slurs to have been edited- now done- and an enquiry into the BBC/ BAFTA, and why they didn't edit the tics earlier when they edited ' piss".

I do not want JD excluded or attacked in any way as it's clear he meant no malice. He has apologised.

But apparently this means I am racist and MN is looking at my posts. Look away I say.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 12:04

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

JFC we’ve now gone from claims that all POC think and feel the same to now all disabled people face the same challenges.

FYI, I have a blind relative, she has as little insight into the challenges of someone with Tourette’s as you do on account of the fact she has a DIFFERENT disability.

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 12:03

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

Fortunately the law doesn't agree with you.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 12:00

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

"So I am aware"

And yet you're advocating for them to be kept out of civilisation where it's not palatable for you to be around them

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:59

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:54

'You want people with ‘Alzheimers, those with schizophrenia, personality disorders etc.’ to ‘demonstrate awareness’? What a ridiculous thing to say'

I said sufferers and their carers. So someone with alzheimers I'd expect their carers to know what social settings would be appropriate.

You said SUFFERERS and their carers, yes.

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:58

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 11:52

No

They kept them away from bigots like you who would have tutted and made comments and told them they weren't welcome

That's not the same

I wouldn't have tutted as I've said I have a disabled relative so am more than aware of the challenges faced.

With those challenges should come consideration for others too and if someone has loud, abusive, offensive verbal tics then others feelings should be taken into account.

So much minimising about this, if I were a poc I'd be horrified.

SpaceRaccoon · 25/02/2026 11:56

Abuse does not require Intent. People are allowed to be upset and offended even if the person can't help it. All feelings are valid.

Yes it does. If my DH accidentally injures me, he has not abused me. If he strikes me angrily, and injures me, he has.

mollypuss1 · 25/02/2026 11:56

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:47

There was a family at school with a dc with sen, they had very loud but not offensive tics. They didn't take them to school shows, not because anyone complained but out of consideration for other people who were watching.

They took their dc to sports days, fayres, school trips so they're weren't isolated or excluded but when there are performances or speeches it is absolutely not rocket science for anyone with verbal tics to sit it out.

That poor child, being told from an early age that his existence is inappropriate to others. I hope he gets help for the affect this will have on his mental health if he ever needs it.

SlipperStar · 25/02/2026 11:55

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:51

I have a disabled relative. We don't hide them.

Abuse does not require Intent. People are allowed to be upset and offended even if the person can't help it. All feelings are valid.

Abuse does require intent. It's not abuse if there's no intent to cause harm. Taking offence is down to the person hearing it, not the person saying it

And you are absolutely advocating hiding the disabled. I bet you disabled relative has a "pallatable" disability where it doesn't provide any real inconvenience to yourself

Gloriia · 25/02/2026 11:54

'You want people with ‘Alzheimers, those with schizophrenia, personality disorders etc.’ to ‘demonstrate awareness’? What a ridiculous thing to say'

I said sufferers and their carers. So someone with alzheimers I'd expect their carers to know what social settings would be appropriate.