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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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GCAcademic · 23/02/2026 21:57

From the reaction I'm seeing online, I get the impression that there are a lot of people who are absolutely loving telling people of colour that they must not complain about having racial slurs shouted at them. I've certainly never seen so many vocal champions of disabled rights on MN before.

hazelnutvanillalatte · 23/02/2026 21:56

phoenixrosehere · 23/02/2026 21:53

So he apologised for his disability but not the impact of his actions?

He explained that this is the main symptom of his disability, that it is involuntary and not reflective of his true feelings, and he left the event early. There have been multiple statements and apologies from BBC, Bafta, and Tourettes Action. What more is there to say?

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 21:56

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:54

Not a good one. And you still haven't acknowledged the fact that I'm black, so I do know how black people feel about this. The majority of us are not offended by John who by the way is a lovely guy. But then we understand about tourettes because we educate ourselves. Try it.

She won't try it because her thread doesn't look for a solution. It's just to stoke division. The shark was jumped when she introduced fat women to the equation. Goady as fuck.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:54

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:51

@Laserwhoyes, I know. It’s an ANALOGY

Not a good one. And you still haven't acknowledged the fact that I'm black, so I do know how black people feel about this. The majority of us are not offended by John who by the way is a lovely guy. But then we understand about tourettes because we educate ourselves. Try it.

phoenixrosehere · 23/02/2026 21:53

hazelnutvanillalatte · 23/02/2026 21:51

He already made a statement explaining it's an involuntary part of his disability, which is a big part of his work as a disability rights campaigner, and the host and BBC apologised for the language already?

So he apologised for his disability but not the impact of his actions?

phoenixrosehere · 23/02/2026 21:51

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:32

The people he supposedly hurt need to grow up and educate themselves

The men called a racial slur on tv and it now being all over the internet, social media etc need to grow up and educate themselves??

hazelnutvanillalatte · 23/02/2026 21:51

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

He already made a statement explaining it's an involuntary part of his disability, which is a big part of his work as a disability rights campaigner, and the host and BBC apologised for the language already?

Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:51

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

Well, he may have apologised to them privately. We don't know.

The BBC certainly owed a massive public apology. I wonder if they've automated their post-production editing processes and this is the result.

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:51

@Laserwhoyes, I know. It’s an ANALOGY

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Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:50

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

Disability is not personality

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:49

@hazelnutvanillalattefemales can definately give birth. Some can’t, yes but some WOMEN can identify as females and have babies. Gees

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

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Soontobe60 · 23/02/2026 21:48

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:41

@Soontobe60dont be ridiculous. Millions of black people doesn’t mean ALL black people. You’re just being silly none

Better to be silly than to be ignorant about disabilities eh?

hazelnutvanillalatte · 23/02/2026 21:46

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:43

This sounds awful but I wish this had happened to a female that just gave birth and he called her “fat” - I don’t think this thread would have gone this way….

What are you not understanding??? He doesn't mean what he says, he has a disability. End of. And it's woman, not female.

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:45

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:43

This sounds awful but I wish this had happened to a female that just gave birth and he called her “fat” - I don’t think this thread would have gone this way….

That makes no sense.
My friend has a DD with Tourette's and she has yelled out to women about being "a fat old cunt"

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:45

@XenoBitchyes but that’s not the point. It would have showed some compassion for the actors AND John. It should have been censored.

if he had worn his kilt and shown his dick, trust me that would have been edited out! But calling two black actors the n word…nah we will leave that in?!!!

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Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:44

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:42

I suggest you ask them about it. You might be surprised

Ok you win, guess what I'm black. Now maybe back off

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:43

This sounds awful but I wish this had happened to a female that just gave birth and he called her “fat” - I don’t think this thread would have gone this way….

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Soontobe60 · 23/02/2026 21:43

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XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 21:43

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:42

BBC are a disgrace for not editing it out. Shame on them

It still would have made the news anyway.

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:42

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:41

I have plenty of non white friends, none of my black friends would be offended by tourettes. They are nice people

I suggest you ask them about it. You might be surprised

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:42

BBC are a disgrace for not editing it out. Shame on them

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Butchyrestingface · 23/02/2026 21:41

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:39

John has made documentaries about himself and his tourettes since he was a teenager. I've grown up watching them. I'm the same age as him. He has always been in the public eye raising awareness for tourettes. Are you seriously suggesting he should not be in the public eye raising awareness for tourettes and helping others? You disgust me.

That's absolutely not what I said. But you go on making things up.

Laserwho · 23/02/2026 21:41

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:35

@Laserwhoyes I agree. Clearly you seem hurt and perhaps ought to spend some time with non whote people to even start to have a clue why an apology is importance

I have plenty of non white friends, none of my black friends would be offended by tourettes. They are nice people

hazelnutvanillalatte · 23/02/2026 21:41

You don't understand the condition. It's not about vocalising neutral associations, it's about uncontrollably voicing intrusive thoughts/the worst things you could say. This is why verbal tics are so often offensive.

It's similar to things like OCD, where people have horrible intrusive thoughts, not because they like or agree with them, but because the nature of the condition makes them obsess over the worst and most distressing things they can think of.

It's literally nothing to do with unconscious bias or the sufferer's true feelings.