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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 23:41

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Being disabled can absolutely be an "excuse" for so called "bad behaviour" because you have no control or no understanding of why it's "bad"

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:40

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:38

Very very upset? Hardly!

I find your extreme reaction to a passing comment on the depressing nature of this thread utterly bizarre.

Extreme reaction? I said off you trot and explained why I thought your comment was pointless. Yet here you are again arguing the toss because you seem upset that I referred to your post in a negative way. Clearly you are getting all hot and bothered about it as you can't let it go.

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:39

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Are you for real?

A tic is not bad behaviour. It is something that can not be helped.

If someone had a seizure, and kicked you, would you be running to the cops?

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:38

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Very very upset? Hardly!

I find your extreme reaction to a passing comment on the depressing nature of this thread utterly bizarre.

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:37

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Scram to where? Nah, I think I will be staying put. These people, as you so charmingly refer to don't have to dance to your tune.

OonaStubbs · 23/02/2026 23:37

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Tikitaka20 · 23/02/2026 23:36

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Not the point, I know, but why would he have used the word ‘honky’ when he’s English and it’s rare and mainly used in the USA? I’ve never even heard of it!

The Guardian wrote a good article on this - https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/it-hurt-n-word-shouted-baftas - that concluded that last night should make us reflect on the language we use in everyday life, to stop it becoming so normalised. I agree.

It hurt when the N-word was shouted out at the Baftas – because we are also hearing it so much outside | Nadine White

I was disturbed, but I wasn’t shocked. It’s a bigger problem that in these toxic times, so many of us endure this and other slurs in our daily lives, says journalist and film-maker Nadine White

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2026/feb/23/it-hurt-n-word-shouted-baftas

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:36

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BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:34

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:32

It's OK with me but clearly not with you. Do you normally pull up everybody on their passing observations as to the theme of a thread? It is a depressing thread, I agree.

Nope I don't, do you normally post observations and commentary on another poster's observations and commentary about a different poster? Is it OK for you to do it, but not me?

EsmaCannonball · 23/02/2026 23:34

The initial screening of I Swear was the first time John Davidson had been to the cinema in years because of his condition. He left the BAFTA ceremony early because he felt so overwhelmed and awkward. And yet, there are still people who are positively gleeful that they are getting to add to his misery.

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 23:34

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:31

You are not responsible for the reactions of other people. That is impossible.

Exactly

But that's what Impact over Intent is trying to do

"It doesn't matter what your actions are, only the reaction of others"

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:33

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Well it's quite clear it's only certain opinions that matter to you. Luckily, I don't need to take that on board.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:33

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I’m glad I’m not your 16 year old son then. Do you police everything he says also to ensure it has the appropriate (in your opinion) level of gravitas?

My comment clearly isn’t pointless to you otherwise you would have just ignored it.

This is one of the most bizarre interactions I’ve ever had on here.

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:32

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:29

Indeed, it is vacuous and reductive. Is that ok with you?

It's OK with me but clearly not with you. Do you normally pull up everybody on their passing observations as to the theme of a thread? It is a depressing thread, I agree.

EddyF · 23/02/2026 23:31

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XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:31

SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 23:28

"Impact over intent" puts the onus on people to be responsible for other people's reactions despite being unable to control their own actions...

"I'm sorry but it wasn't my intent" is often considered a pointless apology (someone even said as much here) and yet it's appropriate sometimes.

You are responsible for your own actions, which includes reactions to others.

You are not responsible for the reactions of other people. That is impossible.

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:30

EddyF · 23/02/2026 23:29

Why are you bothering explaining yourself to these people on this site? Go to Black spaces. I’m Black btw. Treat Mumsnet as a place to burn time/put you to sleep and NEVER engage with them with any conversation to do with race. They just don’t get it (some are also racist) although some are just (can’t find the word, lol).

Pls my Black folks… stop over explaining/engaging in these topics on MN. Just enjoy it for what it is. There are plenty of Black spaces you don’t have to suffer on here LOL.

Off topic, OP; what do you think of Michael? He’s been my crush for so gotdamn long! Fine fine fine!

What a passive aggressive post.

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:29

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:25

Well her post must have had some impact on you, because you've addressed it twice.

Indeed, it is vacuous and reductive. Is that ok with you?

EddyF · 23/02/2026 23:29

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

Why are you bothering explaining yourself to these people on this site? Go to Black spaces. I’m Black btw. Treat Mumsnet as a place to burn time/put you to sleep and NEVER engage with them with any conversation to do with race. They just don’t get it (some are also racist) although some are just (can’t find the word, lol).

Pls my Black folks… stop over explaining/engaging in these topics on MN. Just enjoy it for what it is. There are plenty of Black spaces you don’t have to suffer on here LOL.

Off topic, OP; what do you think of Michael? He’s been my crush for so gotdamn long! Fine fine fine!

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:28

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SlipperStar · 23/02/2026 23:28

"Impact over intent" puts the onus on people to be responsible for other people's reactions despite being unable to control their own actions...

"I'm sorry but it wasn't my intent" is often considered a pointless apology (someone even said as much here) and yet it's appropriate sometimes.

You are responsible for your own actions, which includes reactions to others.

Miggledyhiggledy · 23/02/2026 23:25

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:17

Do you find it important/pointless/relevant/worthwhile?

Because you said none of these things. The sum total of your 'ahem' contribution was - 'What an utterly depressing thread'. I must have missed the gravitas and important underlying meaning behind this. Fantastic contribution well done you 👏

Well her post must have had some impact on you, because you've addressed it twice.

mollypuss1 · 23/02/2026 23:23

BingoJingo · 23/02/2026 23:17

Do you find it important/pointless/relevant/worthwhile?

Because you said none of these things. The sum total of your 'ahem' contribution was - 'What an utterly depressing thread'. I must have missed the gravitas and important underlying meaning behind this. Fantastic contribution well done you 👏

Of all the posts on here, mine is the one you take offense to?

Why does every post have to have gravitas and an important underlying meaning?

What is the important underlying meaning of your latest post towards me?

XenoBitch · 23/02/2026 23:22

I would recommend look up 'My Street'. It was a documentary where a lady in a leafy suburb street got to know her neighbours.
One was a total recluse and had Tourette's. He was so happy to make a new friend.... got on the phone to order a pizza for them (and swore at them in the process). His tics were verbal and also physical... which is not uncommon with people with Tourette's... it is not just words... it is often wrenching your neck and hurting yourself.
He ended up killing himself.

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