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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:37

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:34

If he was having a medical incident I would hope the person he reversed into would be understanding and offering assistance rather than demanding an apology.

This happened recently. A woman driver with epilepsy killed two schoolgirls in Wimbledon.
Oddly no one argued that the parents of the girls should apologise.

Quine0nline · 24/02/2026 08:36

It was wrong of the TV companies to not censor the words.

It is interesting to see some people's pyramid of victimhood. " I'm a victim, I'm more of a victim, I'm victimer, I'm victimeterer".

Some people, intentionally or not are giving free gifts to racists, by their reaction.

Ukefluke · 24/02/2026 08:36

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:24

May I hazard that the Queen has never had her Britishness questioned- though she was German- or told that she was a blight on this nation by every political party? Or overlooked for jobs because of the colour of her skin? Or ever been poor and had to work her way up?

Unlike possibly Delroy Lindo, who was a Windrush child born in Lewisham to a single mother.
Do you not see the difference?

But I bet John has experienced most of these comments and discrimination based on his disabililty not his skin tone.

Or overlooked for jobs because of his disability? Yep
Been poor and had to work his way up? Yep
Been told he is a blight? Yep.

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:34

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:33

So if her husband had reversed into a car because of a medical incident, he shouldn't apologise?

If he was having a medical incident I would hope the person he reversed into would be understanding and offering assistance rather than demanding an apology.

FreeWheezin · 24/02/2026 08:33

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 21:48

@hazelnutvanillalattei wonder if he had called a postpartum mom fat if Mumsnet would be so forgiving about an apology.

an apology costs NOTHING. It’s like me saying something offended someone and then refusing to apologise because it’s my personality I didn’t mean it. Apologising would mean apologising for ‘who I am’. See how silly that sounds?

You said no one was responding to your analogies, ans tbst showed you were right. I responded to one and you ignored it.

We now know:
John's condition was explained to everyone in attendence at the show at the beginning, and the crowd applauded.
When John realised his tics were causing distress he left early.

Here's an l analogy I'd love you to think about. A wheelchair user has an electric wheelchair. This is the best wheelchair they can afford, but because of a manufacturing problem, everytime they turn left the motor makes a screaming noise, like a baby crying. It's their birthday, and they are going to a party that is celebrating them and other recent birthdays. They are really excited, especially as it is not often they get to go to a big party like this. Often, many people complain about the sound of the wheelchair. They spend a lot of time apologising for the sound, and so often its just easier to stay at home.

At the beginning of the party an annoucement is made: 'please be aware that there may be a loud screaming noise like a baby crying. We know this sound will be really uncomfortable for lots of you, and some people may be more personally affected by the sound. Please know that no-one is making the sound deliberately, it's caused by a manufacturing issue with a wheelchair'.
Later that night, two women who have experienced pregancy loss are making a birthday speech for an attendee. The wheelchair user turns left, and the room is filled with the sound of a baby scream. The women are deeply affected by the sound but they compose themselves and carry on. The host of the party later says 'People will be aware that the wheelchair caused a distressing sound again, it really is not deliberate, it just happens when the wheelchair user needs to turn left, but we are sorry to those who were caused distress.'

The next day in the local press and on social media millions of people demand the wheelchair user apologise for the sound their wheelchair made, and suggest that the user must actually think the sound is ok if they are happy to keep turning left. Couldn't they choose to take a bigger right turn instead? Some say the wheelchair user shouldn't attend birthday parties anymore in case any other women who experienced pregancy loss might be there.

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 08:33

OP you need to watch the film I swear. It's about his life. Also watch his many documentaries available free on YouTube raising awareness that he has done since his teenage years. They will give you understanding about tourettes. Also everyone at the award ceremony was told about his tourettes and that he may have tics during it. No one should have been offended. OP give your head a wobble.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:33

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:27

Your husband apologised because he made a mistake. John didn’t make a mistake. You want him to apologise for who he is.

So if her husband had reversed into a car because of a medical incident, he shouldn't apologise?

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:32

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:27

Because John is also now being targeted and made a victim and a statement from them acknowledging how it hurt them but they understand it came from a place of no ill intent would perhaps help to sooth some of the abuse he's receiving too?

No. MBJ and DL are not responsible for the abuse JD is receiving. That's on the BBC.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:31

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:26

I’m not trying to get permission to use this word, but if it’s so offensive why don’t ALL people stop using it?

I know some black people are against the use of the word and others aren't, but that's up to the black community to sort out, not the rest of us. It's none of our business.

JonesTown · 24/02/2026 08:31

John shouldn’t have to apologise about something he has no control over.

This is part of what the film is about. He was initially apologising constantly but it is much more effective to educate people about the condition.

It is dehumanising and terrible for his self-esteem to have to say sorry all day every day when these things are caused by a medical condition.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:31

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:26

I’m not trying to get permission to use this word, but if it’s so offensive why don’t ALL people stop using it?

Because some- not all- black people have reclaimed it. That's their decision. Not yours. I won't accept that 71- year- old DL uses it though, so please let's not argue that because some rappers did, DL should be called that.

I am not so concerned about JD now. I am concerned about the normalisation of abuse in everyday life.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:28

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:14

I’m a white person, I hate hearing the n word being uttered by anyone.

if POC don’t like hearing it do they complain when it’s constantly being said by black people or in songs by black peopke? Isn’t that double standards? Because i hear it being said WAAAAAY more by black people

and no, John Davidson has a disability, anyone apology would be completely empty.

As a very basic example...my siblings and I can call my mum annoying and frustrating at times, but if anyone else outside of our family insults my mum, then I'm going to be pissed.

It's in-group versus out-group dynamics. If you're part of a 'group' then you can say things that other people who are outside of the group can't.

And honestly, I don't know why an apology would be empty. If I were Davidson, then personally I'd be genuinely sorry and say so in this situation. It being involuntary wouldn't mean I didn't feel bad about it! I'm not sure a public apology would be helpful or not, though.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:28

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 08:02

@NemesisInferiorive read it. I understand the condition. I STILL have the same viewpoint.

john doesn’t attend the BAFTA’s everyday and call two high profile actors a n*a. So he can still apologise in scenerios that are not his everyday when he ends up offending them so publicly.

No, every day he goes places where he might and does say things which offend others though

You're essentially saying "well as you dared to be too public with your disability you should apologise"

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:27

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 07:53

Why the eff should they make a statement? They are victims. Disability or not that are still victims!

Because John is also now being targeted and made a victim and a statement from them acknowledging how it hurt them but they understand it came from a place of no ill intent would perhaps help to sooth some of the abuse he's receiving too?

mollypuss1 · 24/02/2026 08:27

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 08:13

Also this saying apologies mean nothing unless you can’t change change. That’s BS

By that logic nobody who is terminally ill should apologise for anything because they can’t guarantee it won’t happen again. Nobody with any chronic condition should ever bother saying sorry for anything ever

We apologise to people who are dying all the time. We apologise for things completely outside our control all the time. Because an apology isn’t a promise it won’t happen again. An apology is saying I see that you were hurt and I’m sorry for that
That’s it

My DH reversed into someone’s car once. Wasn’t intentional. Could absolutely happen again because he’s human and humans make mistakes. Did he still apologise to the owner? Obviously yes. Did that apology mean nothing because he couldn’t guarantee he’d never do it again? Don’t be ridiculous

An apology acknowledges another person’s pain. That’s its entire purpose. The idea that it’s only valid if you can prevent a repeat is honestly one of the most creative ways I’ve seen someone avoid the point on this thread

Your husband apologised because he made a mistake. John didn’t make a mistake. You want him to apologise for who he is.

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:26

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:22

It's bizarre to see. Personally, as a white person whose opinion doesn't matter, I feel the same about the n-word as I do about 'bitch' - I'd prefer no one used it.

But I certainly don't think that white people should be trying to use the excuse 'but black people use it!' to give themselves permission. It's so blatantly racist. Why would you want to be able to say that word, as a white person?? Just leave it alone!!

I’m not trying to get permission to use this word, but if it’s so offensive why don’t ALL people stop using it?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 08:25

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 07:50

Powerful point . And great one, exactly. We all as women can agree that bitch isn’t the same from a man than a woman

No "we" can't

I've never got this MN obsession with bitch being so terrible

I've never been called a bitch by a man

And women do also use it quite aggressively (imo more than men do tbh)

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:24

EsmaCannonball · 24/02/2026 08:20

John Davidson shouted 'Fuck the Queen!' at the Queen as she was about to give him his MBE. When he met the then Prince Charles he called him a 'fucking parasite.' Everybody coped.

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May I hazard that the Queen has never had her Britishness questioned- though she was German- or told that she was a blight on this nation by every political party? Or overlooked for jobs because of the colour of her skin? Or ever been poor and had to work her way up?

Unlike possibly Delroy Lindo, who was a Windrush child born in Lewisham to a single mother.
Do you not see the difference?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:22

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:14

There is quite the campaign to normalise the N word and convince black people that they have brought this on themselves.

Waiting for the same to happen with the P word and words like 'currymuncher' and 'pajeet'.

It's bizarre to see. Personally, as a white person whose opinion doesn't matter, I feel the same about the n-word as I do about 'bitch' - I'd prefer no one used it.

But I certainly don't think that white people should be trying to use the excuse 'but black people use it!' to give themselves permission. It's so blatantly racist. Why would you want to be able to say that word, as a white person?? Just leave it alone!!

EsmaCannonball · 24/02/2026 08:20

NotMeAtAll · 24/02/2026 02:14

I have a feeling that if he (or anyone else) shouted "Andrew is a cunt" at William, it would have been edited.

John Davidson shouted 'Fuck the Queen!' at the Queen as she was about to give him his MBE. When he met the then Prince Charles he called him a 'fucking parasite.' Everybody coped.

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:19

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:15

Do you know that young women these days often call each other bitch affectionately? Would you argue that they should therefore be called bitches by men in the workplace?

Yeah I don’t get this either. And I don’t think the b word hits as much as the n word.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:15

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:14

I’m a white person, I hate hearing the n word being uttered by anyone.

if POC don’t like hearing it do they complain when it’s constantly being said by black people or in songs by black peopke? Isn’t that double standards? Because i hear it being said WAAAAAY more by black people

and no, John Davidson has a disability, anyone apology would be completely empty.

Do you know that young women these days often call each other bitch affectionately? Would you argue that they should therefore be called bitches by men in the workplace?

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 08:14

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 08:10

I wasn't talking about Tourette's in that comment, I was specifically responding to the exchange between two pp's:

"I heard he learned the word by listening to “Golddigger” by Kanye West and checksnotes Jamie Foxx."
And,
"I know, right?!
Like, what the heck was Fox thinking when he said that?"

Which to me seemed to imply that because black people may use a version of the word in music, they shouldn't be surprised/should be less offended if white people use it. So I just wanted to point out the pertinent differences, as I understand them.

There is quite the campaign to normalise the N word and convince black people that they have brought this on themselves.

Waiting for the same to happen with the P word and words like 'currymuncher' and 'pajeet'.

Auroraloves · 24/02/2026 08:14

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 08:02

@NemesisInferiorive read it. I understand the condition. I STILL have the same viewpoint.

john doesn’t attend the BAFTA’s everyday and call two high profile actors a n*a. So he can still apologise in scenerios that are not his everyday when he ends up offending them so publicly.

I’m a white person, I hate hearing the n word being uttered by anyone.

if POC don’t like hearing it do they complain when it’s constantly being said by black people or in songs by black peopke? Isn’t that double standards? Because i hear it being said WAAAAAY more by black people

and no, John Davidson has a disability, anyone apology would be completely empty.

notaurewhatusername · 24/02/2026 08:13

Also this saying apologies mean nothing unless you can’t change change. That’s BS

By that logic nobody who is terminally ill should apologise for anything because they can’t guarantee it won’t happen again. Nobody with any chronic condition should ever bother saying sorry for anything ever

We apologise to people who are dying all the time. We apologise for things completely outside our control all the time. Because an apology isn’t a promise it won’t happen again. An apology is saying I see that you were hurt and I’m sorry for that
That’s it

My DH reversed into someone’s car once. Wasn’t intentional. Could absolutely happen again because he’s human and humans make mistakes. Did he still apologise to the owner? Obviously yes. Did that apology mean nothing because he couldn’t guarantee he’d never do it again? Don’t be ridiculous

An apology acknowledges another person’s pain. That’s its entire purpose. The idea that it’s only valid if you can prevent a repeat is honestly one of the most creative ways I’ve seen someone avoid the point on this thread

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