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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:38

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:32

"Autism isn’t Tourette’s. Stop speaking about disabled people like they are all the same"

So hang on...are you saying that an autistic person who has a panic attack or meltdown because of their autism is responsible for their behaviour, and should apologise?

No I don’t actually - but nor do I think it’s acceptable for someone to think the two conditions are the same

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:38

NotThisAgain1987 · 24/02/2026 11:15

Perhaps your reading comprehension isn't the best ? Or your IT skills are lacking? I believe local colleges have adult education course available should you wish to sharpen up on either https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/john-davidson-tourettes-activist/

Of course he has to apologize he has capacity to understand harm and therefore needs to apologise for it, you are infantilising disabled people.

I'm autistic, I often get overwhelmed in crowds if I shoved you and your family over trying to get out of the crowd I'd owe you an apology when I had calmed down because while my intention wasn't to hurt you my actions may have.

I don’t like to embarrass people @NotThisAgain1987 but I found a paywall remover - it’s a good job you know about those adult education courses around sharpening IT skills and reading, I suggest you book one, pronto.

Wha you provided me was NOT in fact “ a whole piece [John Davidson wrote] on how devastating it was to offend the queen who was just a very wealthy old bint” as you claimed

Where did you get that idea from?? Or have you just plain old lied on purpose?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:35

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 11:30

In the context of disability - yes

People who work with those with certain disabilities will often get punched, kicked, headbutted, bitten, slapped, smacked, grabbed... they get horrendous bruises but they don't blame the person

Well, for starters, people who work with those people are literally trained and paid to deal with it, and choose to do so on a daily basis.

And wow. I didn't say blame the person, I said 'feeling upset'. So if someone gets punched in the face by a disabled person, they're somehow the one at fault if they feel upset?

That's a wild take. I presume you can extrapolate that to sexual assault, and all sorts. If a person has a disability and can't help it, then it's your fault if you feel upset!

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:32

"Autism isn’t Tourette’s. Stop speaking about disabled people like they are all the same"

So hang on...are you saying that an autistic person who has a panic attack or meltdown because of their autism is responsible for their behaviour, and should apologise?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 11:30

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:14

Well, hey now, you're discriminating against a person with a mental health condition. What does them undergoing therapy have to do with anything? And why are you expecting them to somehow control their condition, and magically not feel triggered?

Hmm, so if someone punches me in the face, I'm responsible for feeling upset...? I don't think so.

In the context of disability - yes

People who work with those with certain disabilities will often get punched, kicked, headbutted, bitten, slapped, smacked, grabbed... they get horrendous bruises but they don't blame the person

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:29

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:27

Nah you’re comparing apples with oranges. It doesn’t work. Or even make sense

What doesn't make sense is you trying to argue that someone's Tourette's was trying to say n---a because...the Tourette's isn't racist?

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:29

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:27

That's ridiculous, and makes zero sense.

If Tourette's is about the tic making a person say the most offensive thing possible, then quite clearly his condition meant it to be the most offensive use of the n-word.

This is weird.

What makes zero sense? That Scottish people pronounce their Rs? Have you ever met a Scottish person?

I doubt most Scottish people know there is a “more” offensive way to pronounce the n word. But Scottish people do pronounce their Ra. What aren’t you getting? For example they pronounce the R in pepper and in worm. So why wouldn’t they pronounce it in the n word?

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 11:29

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 11:20

You are not understanding.

The point is that people are saying that it does not matter that there is no intent, context does not matter. The word itself is so horrible that it will really hurt people like the two presenters just hearing it.

But in fact, we know that it is widely used within certain parts of the black community, and both men involved use it and hear it in plenty of films they are in. So here they are saying that context does matter.

So which is it? Does the context matter, or not?

And when we have found out that it was mentioned more than once in the event that people might hear these kinds of words, it starts to seem a little less likely that it was as shocking as Lindo and Jordan implied, and it may well be that they knew ahead of time that the context was not a random jerk shouting something at them with intent.

Ok. Sure. "It was not as shocking as Lindo and Jordan implied." Except they haven't said a damn thing. Lindo said he wished the BAFTA people had spoken to him. MBJ, silent as the grave.

"Both men use it." Yes, sure. You know this, how?

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 11:29

John is a real person who could possibly be reading this. He doesn't deserve this. This thread is a form of bullying against as person with disabilitys. Everyone who has said mean things about him should apologise. I carnt believe this thread is still up.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 11:28

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Ah the hierarchy of offence and the "well that's not a good enough statement" in one

He doesn't owe anyone an apology for his disability which he has no control over

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:27

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:24

Because while they are not the same in degree, they are the same in kind, and if your explanation is sound, it should work no matter the degree.

For instance, I could say, "a lion is not to blame for attacking people, as it is only doing what its nature dictates". That would cover every severity of degree, from being lunged at, to a bad scratch, to a bite, to being mauled to death.
But saying that the lion isn't to blame, so people are choosing to feel bad doesn't make sense.

Nah you’re comparing apples with oranges. It doesn’t work. Or even make sense

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:27

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:18

Im saying it came out with a hard R because Scottish people pronounce their R’s

The alternative would be to say that Tourette’s is a racist entity. Which it is not.

That's ridiculous, and makes zero sense.

If Tourette's is about the tic making a person say the most offensive thing possible, then quite clearly his condition meant it to be the most offensive use of the n-word.

This is weird.

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:26

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:20

Of course not. But then I'm not a person struggling to recover from an eating disorder, and not always capable of looking at things rationally because of my condition. They might well be just as triggered by a toddler.

I’m taking about you, not a person with an eating disorder

You wouldn’t be offended at an unkind comment made by a toddler, correct?

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:26

NotThisAgain1987 · 24/02/2026 11:17

Honestly I am more and more convinced you have to have the emotional intelligence of a rock to be on mumsnet

Says the ableist, ageist who just spouts porkie pies

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:25

NotThisAgain1987 · 24/02/2026 11:15

Perhaps your reading comprehension isn't the best ? Or your IT skills are lacking? I believe local colleges have adult education course available should you wish to sharpen up on either https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2026/02/23/john-davidson-tourettes-activist/

Of course he has to apologize he has capacity to understand harm and therefore needs to apologise for it, you are infantilising disabled people.

I'm autistic, I often get overwhelmed in crowds if I shoved you and your family over trying to get out of the crowd I'd owe you an apology when I had calmed down because while my intention wasn't to hurt you my actions may have.

I don’t have a Torygraph subscription so cant read that article

But id be amazingly surprised if he said he was embarrassed at offending the Queen because this is directly at odds with what he’s said about meeting the Queen before. In a BBC article he said he was told before by Holyrood guards that she wouldn’t be offended at any outburst as she’d been forewarned, and he said “Well I figured if the Queen can have understands that I have no control over my tics maybe other people can”.

So it would be very odd indeed if he told the Totygraph he was embarrassed at offending her.

Because even an “old bint” (ageism is ok now?) can understand he can’t help it. And she wasn’t offended

Of course he has to apologize he has capacity to understand harm and therefore needs to apologise for it, you are infantilising disabled people.

No he doesn’t have to apologise for being disabled. At all. Ever.
As I said apologies impl intent and a willi ng ness not to do it again. John had no intent and can’t promise to never do this again.

Autism isn’t Tourette’s. Stop speaking about disabled people like they are all the same

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:24

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:19

Why are you comparing words with violence?

Because while they are not the same in degree, they are the same in kind, and if your explanation is sound, it should work no matter the degree.

For instance, I could say, "a lion is not to blame for attacking people, as it is only doing what its nature dictates". That would cover every severity of degree, from being lunged at, to a bad scratch, to a bite, to being mauled to death.
But saying that the lion isn't to blame, so people are choosing to feel bad doesn't make sense.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 11:21

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:36

@XenoBitchhis apology DOES mean something to millions of black people all around the world.

Oh please, what a ridiculously dramatic response.

TempestTost · 24/02/2026 11:20

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 11:05

I have made nothing up. I don't have the time to go back and find where it was said, or it may have been deleted, who knows. But a few posters did argue upthread that
the "black men" were "bullies"
MBJ and DL should put out a statement.
the N word has been normalised by black people in music, so a lot of faux puzzlement over why white people can't use it.

That's my last word. You can call me ableist if you like. I could call you worse, I guess, but we all know MN moderators are useless.

You are not understanding.

The point is that people are saying that it does not matter that there is no intent, context does not matter. The word itself is so horrible that it will really hurt people like the two presenters just hearing it.

But in fact, we know that it is widely used within certain parts of the black community, and both men involved use it and hear it in plenty of films they are in. So here they are saying that context does matter.

So which is it? Does the context matter, or not?

And when we have found out that it was mentioned more than once in the event that people might hear these kinds of words, it starts to seem a little less likely that it was as shocking as Lindo and Jordan implied, and it may well be that they knew ahead of time that the context was not a random jerk shouting something at them with intent.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:20

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 10:55

If a toddler made a comment about your appearance, would you feel as hurt as if it was an able minded adult?

Of course not. But then I'm not a person struggling to recover from an eating disorder, and not always capable of looking at things rationally because of my condition. They might well be just as triggered by a toddler.

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:20

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 11:15

I absolutely agree with you.

They can sensor 'Free Palestine', but they can't censor 'n#gger'?

It was done deliberately. And I can guess the ethnicity. As I said in my previous post: some of us fuck up accidently (Tourettes) and some of us fuck up on purpose (BBC).

What ethnicity are you guessing??

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:19

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:11

Right, so if someone's disability attacked a person and broke their arm, it wouldn't have been aimed at that person? I'm not sure about that.

Why are you comparing words with violence?

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:18

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:09

That's a pretty silly argument, especially as it's entirely unnecessary.

You're really trying to argue that someone's Tourette's was trying to say n*!#a, but because of the person's Scottish accent it came out wrong?

Im saying it came out with a hard R because Scottish people pronounce their R’s

The alternative would be to say that Tourette’s is a racist entity. Which it is not.

NotThisAgain1987 · 24/02/2026 11:17

Honestly I am more and more convinced you have to have the emotional intelligence of a rock to be on mumsnet

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:16

SALaw · 24/02/2026 10:56

Not “white people using it”. A person with Tourette’s, which causes INVOLUNTARY tics using it, having heard it used and therefore it being a word he is capable of saying INVOLUNTARILY.

Then why bring up the fact that black people use it at all, considering it's involuntary? Are you trying to say that black American musicians taught a middle-aged Scottish man the n-word and blame them for it somehow?

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 11:15

IsItSnowing · 24/02/2026 10:34

My sympathies lie entirely with the Tourette's sufferer. The poor man has apologised. He made a statement very early on. This is absolutely not his fault and the outcry he has suffered due to his disability is outrageous.

He was there because of a film aimed at bringing awareness of his condition. Apparently, those present are too shallow to understand that. More education is most definitely needed. It is an awful condition to live with and he has no choice. Being over-sensitive is a self imposedcondition which people can control.

The people who should make the apologies are the networks who broadcast it - no need for them to do that. They compounded this man's embarrassment and added fuel to the controversy.

I absolutely agree with you.

They can sensor 'Free Palestine', but they can't censor 'n#gger'?

It was done deliberately. And I can guess the ethnicity. As I said in my previous post: some of us fuck up accidently (Tourettes) and some of us fuck up on purpose (BBC).

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