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To think John Davidson and BAFTA owe an apology

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notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

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OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:09

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:58

Obviously if someone's disability or mental capacity means that they physically harm others or sexually assault them, the expectation is that they be detained and cared for, for both their sake and for society.

Tourettes sufferers however largely vocalise and tic - it's obviously not nice to be on the receiving end of a slur or an insult, but that's exactly why people like John have campaigned so hard to raise awareness - so that hopefully people will understand that there's no bad intent, it's their illness and it's entirely unintentional. Ultimately, it's words.

So I'm not convinced that comparing words to a sexaul assault is helpful or relevant when where's talking about Tourettes sufferers. It feels actually a bit uncomfortable.

My point is very simple, and not difficult to understand: It is not helpful or accurate to say "Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I don't think this is true, as shown if you raise the severity of the issue at hand. I think that it is unfair to claim that people are being ableist if they feel bad about having slurs thrown at them, or to say that they are choosing to feel bad.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:06

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 13:01

Yeah, it's seems like having your feelings hurt is literally one of the worst crimes in the world now.

Why are people so incapable of understanding differences in degree and not kind? Or the fact that certain arguments are actually incoherent, as highlighted when you try to apply them to something of the same kind, but of a more severe degree?

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:04

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

Nope. I'm not comparing them at all - one is clearly far, far worse. I'm pointing out that a pp's logic is inconsistent.

PP said:

"Disabled people don’t have a choice about how their condition manifests,
Non disabled people do have a choice about how the react to this, you choose to be offended. You can choose not to."

I said:

I dislike this sort of logic, as it doesn't work if you scale up in severity, say, with a disability that results in violence. I feel like a logical explanation should work for minor issues and major ones.

What I don't like is the argument that people are choosing to be upset, or choosing to be offended, out of some kind of ableist malice. One can argue that the disabled person can't help their actions and doesn't intend them, but imo one should not say that a person is being unreasonable or 'choosing to take offence' for being negatively affected by those actions.

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 13:01

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

Yeah, it's seems like having your feelings hurt is literally one of the worst crimes in the world now.

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 13:00

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:54

Strawman again

But, ultimately, yes. If someone assaults you in any way due to their disability then it's on you to work out how to deal with those feelings and blaming them for their involuntary actions isn't fair nor reasonable

It's not a strawman. If your argument is logical, then it should hold up regardless of severity.

And wow. Talk about victim blaming. That's insane.

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:58

Obviously if someone's disability or mental capacity means that they physically harm others or sexually assault them, the expectation is that they be detained and cared for, for both their sake and for society.

Tourettes sufferers however largely vocalise and tic - it's obviously not nice to be on the receiving end of a slur or an insult, but that's exactly why people like John have campaigned so hard to raise awareness - so that hopefully people will understand that there's no bad intent, it's their illness and it's entirely unintentional. Ultimately, it's words.

So I'm not convinced that comparing words to a sexaul assault is helpful or relevant when where's talking about Tourettes sufferers. It feels actually a bit uncomfortable.

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:55

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

Wow, we're comparing rape with fucking words now? Jesus christ. Ever heard the expression Sticks and Stones? Get some perspective please.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:54

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

Strawman again

But, ultimately, yes. If someone assaults you in any way due to their disability then it's on you to work out how to deal with those feelings and blaming them for their involuntary actions isn't fair nor reasonable

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:49

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:40

It's true

You can only control your own reaction

If you continue to feel aggrieved even after being made aware, or after reminding yourself, that the person meant no harm or offence then it's your own reactions and down to you

So if you're sexually assaulted by a person who couldn't help it due to a disability, then it's your fault for feeling 'aggrieved'?

Naunet · 24/02/2026 12:49

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 11:24

Because while they are not the same in degree, they are the same in kind, and if your explanation is sound, it should work no matter the degree.

For instance, I could say, "a lion is not to blame for attacking people, as it is only doing what its nature dictates". That would cover every severity of degree, from being lunged at, to a bad scratch, to a bite, to being mauled to death.
But saying that the lion isn't to blame, so people are choosing to feel bad doesn't make sense.

So you think lions owe us all an apology for the humans they've killed? Or would that be fucking stupid, because a lion is just doing what a lion does?

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:40

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:10

Wow. I mean, just wow.

It's true

You can only control your own reaction

If you continue to feel aggrieved even after being made aware, or after reminding yourself, that the person meant no harm or offence then it's your own reactions and down to you

EmeraldShamrock000 · 24/02/2026 12:33

The man has apologised. Imagine the worst thing that popped into your head came out of your mouth, especially things that you definitely shouldn’t say, it gets bigger and bigger until it comes out.
The organisation should apologise and should have used a delay to bleep it out. He should not have to apologise again.

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:30

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 11:46

I think that posters means when workers are assaulted by a disabled person they accept that the intent and control is not the same as being assaulted by someone who is not disabled.

That's exactly what I meant

They accept and understand that being physically hurt by a service user is not the same as being assaulted by someone intentionally

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:28

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:25

https://nen.press/i-swear-overreaction-tourettes-action-statement/

This is the Tourettes Action statement.

In a sane world, everyone would read it, agree, and move on.

That's a great statement.

CharlotteRumpling · 24/02/2026 12:27

SpaceRaccoon · 24/02/2026 12:25

https://nen.press/i-swear-overreaction-tourettes-action-statement/

This is the Tourettes Action statement.

In a sane world, everyone would read it, agree, and move on.

Good statement.

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 12:23

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:25

@Pollqueenare you by any chance a POC? I bet other posters aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand. In the nicest way possible I’m not trying to offend.

@notaurewhatusername are you by any chance someone who suffers with tourette syndrome? I bet you aren’t, something tells me this needs a unique lived experience to understand.

Poetnojo · 24/02/2026 12:18

notaurewhatusername · 23/02/2026 20:10

I have sympathy for anyone with Tourette’s. I genuinely do. It’s a difficult condition and I’m not for one second suggesting John Davidson is a bad person or that he chose to say what he said. But sympathy for a condition doesn’t mean the impact on others gets ignored.

Intent matters but so does impact. If I accidentally stand on someone’s foot I still say sorry, even though I didn’t mean to do it. “I didn’t mean it” and “I acknowledge I hurt you” are not mutually exclusive. I wouldn’t get annoyed at the suggestion of apologising simply because I didn’t mean it, so why is this different? Especially as it was a public stage in front of millions. I don’t expect John to apologise every day in normal interactions, but at such a public forum - he should. Michael B Jordan looked visibly devastated. It was so sad.

When he saw two Black men and the n-word came out — not H**ky at the white hosts for example, not some other neutral word, the n-word directed at Black people in the room — that caused real harm to real people. Tourette’s tics are shaped by what the brain reaches for as most “forbidden” in a given moment, and what it reached for when he saw two Black men was a racial slur aimed at them. That raises really uncomfortable questions about unconscious bias that most people would rather sidestep entirely.

It doesn’t make him a conscious racist. But it does make it a conversation worth having, because our unconscious associations don’t come from nowhere — they’re shaped by everything we’ve absorbed over a lifetime. That connotation being the first place his brain went is something that deserves acknowledgement, not just a pass because of the diagnosis. And as a POC, I have to be honest — this is heartbreaking. Not just the incident itself but what it represents.

I can’t tell you how many times I’ve tried to explain to white friends and colleagues that certain spaces feel uncomfortable, that you notice the stares, that you carry this constant low level awareness of how you might be being perceived. And so often the response is “you’re imagining it” or “you’re being too sensitive.” You get gaslit into doubting your own lived experience. Well — moments like this are exactly why it isn’t in our heads. This is the reality POC navigate every single day. Always on alert. Always doing that mental calculation of whether someone is judging you for the colour of your skin. That emotional labour is exhausting and largely invisible to people who’ve never had to carry it.

John thanking the audience for their “understanding” puts the burden entirely on those who were hurt to just get over it. That’s not the same as acknowledging the pain caused. AIBU to think a bit more than “thanks for understanding” was needed here — from both of them?

Disablist much?
Check your privilege

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:14

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:12

Well, clearly you ARE stupid as I was on about letting the word n*gger slide and not editing it out.

Oh, and just so you know, I have Jewish people in my family..🙄

Which ethnicity were you referring to when you said you could guess the ethnicity of the person who left in the n word and took out free Palestine?

Hey if it isn’t Jews I apologise but can you blame me for assuming? I live with these intentional undertones day in day out and I call it out because I refuse to sit politely and cop it.

So what if you have Jews in your family - doesn’t mean you can’t be antisemitic. It’s a bit “I love black people!” when someone’s said something a bit racist

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:12

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:06

No I dont

Usually when there’s outrage about Palestine censorship + a conspiracy that a “certain ethnicity” is behind something dodgy, people mean Jews. We aren’t stupid FYI.

Well, clearly you ARE stupid as I was on about letting the word n*gger slide and not editing it out.

Oh, and just so you know, I have Jewish people in my family..🙄

OtterlyAstounding · 24/02/2026 12:10

SlipperStar · 24/02/2026 12:01

That's called strawman

If you continue to feel aggrieved by what someone did to you which they have no control over, then yea it is on you

Wow. I mean, just wow.

Moooooooooooooooooo · 24/02/2026 12:09

Fuck off. John has nothing to apologise for.

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:06

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:05

I'll hazard a guess that when I said it was between me and God, you did not believe me..

No I dont

Usually when there’s outrage about Palestine censorship + a conspiracy that a “certain ethnicity” is behind something dodgy, people mean Jews. We aren’t stupid FYI.

Notalotanota2026 · 24/02/2026 12:05

TheEdenSide · 24/02/2026 12:01

I’ll hazard a guess that you think a Jew decided this?

I'll hazard a guess that when I said it was between me and God, you did not believe me..

Laserwho · 24/02/2026 12:05

Time to take the thread down. This is bullying. Enough is enough.