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To think we are in a relationship?

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Beingabout · 22/02/2026 18:20

We are in our late 30s. We’ve been friends since we were teenagers. We had several casual flings with each other throughout our 20s. About six years ago we started seeing each other more often, but he didn’t want a relationship.

Five years ago I met someone else, and given the stance of not wanting a relationship, I went out with him and ended up in a relationship with him. I gave the first man every opportunity to stop it but he didn’t. Anyway, we broke up after a few months and the first man and I ended up back in touch. I made it clear at this point that I was only interested in being back in touch if we weren’t going to be seeing anyone else, which he agreed to.

Since then we’ve become closer and closer. I trust that he’s not, and is not interested in, seeing anyone else. He's supportive and caring (which it’s fair to say he wasn’t in our 20s). He’s thoughtful and kind. We go on holiday together and exchange Christmas and birthday presents. I have started to refer to him as my boyfriend, which he knows about and doesn’t seem bothered about.

He woukd still say we’re not in a relationship. I can’t see how this isn’t a relationship?

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Beingabout · 25/02/2026 19:30

inkognitha · 25/02/2026 18:44

Oh OP, I feel for you, I have been there

A smart woman would not settle for less that she wants, that’s the bar between smart and stupid.

You want a relationship. That’s your dream, it effing matters. You should cherish, respect and care for this dream, rather than let it get it rubbished (and your life with it) because you met a “halfway there” (some guy with some qualities but also some crucial stuff missing).

Your chance of getting what you want out of him are pretty low. Your chances of getting another great relationship with the commitment you want are unknown, but if I were you, I d take my chances anyway, the odds are very probably much better.

I hope you start to unpack why you want to ignore your dream for just another bloke, why you treat yourself and your own wants with such disregard. Why it has to be him and not one of the billions of other blokes currently roaming the earth. Why you try to pretzel your brain into some weird reasoning to make it acceptable, like this thread.

You want a committed relationship. He doesn’t offer that, then he’s not for you, he’s not worth staying in your life. That’s all the logic you need.

Thank you, but it’s not my dream - I have many dreams but none involve any man.

I quite like the idea but I am very happy as we are. I feel lucky that he’s funny, reliable, utterly trustworthy, laid back, always on my side and supportive of anything I want to do. We never argue, I never worry he’s cheating. He’s consistent, doesn’t play games. He’s got hobbies and friends and his own life and I like that. I love the lack of possessiveness and jealousy or suffocation. He’s also amazing in bed and I really fancy him.

I have tried relationships with other men and they never last. It always becomes too much. And they’re not him.

So don’t feel for me, but I do appreciate your words.

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Worktillate · 25/02/2026 19:26

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 19:21

We could be married with three kids and he could do this. You see it all of the time on here.

Well actually he couldn't

There would be at least the administrative burden of divorce, CMS, financial arrangements and the like if you were married with three kids.

Currently he could walk away in the next ten minutes with no need for any discussion beyond 'I'm done' - that's the freedom that his position of 'not being in a relationship' gives him

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 19:21

ChristmasFluff · 25/02/2026 18:26

He's got all the benefits of a girlfriend, without the commitment of being in a relationship. This makes you a placeholder. A placeholder that he treats well, but a placeholder nonetheless.

When he meets someone who blows his socks off, he'll walk away, dropping you like a hot potato. You will cry, and say, 'but we were making plans for the years to come!' And he will look at you as though you are being crazy, and he will say, 'but I always told you we were not in a relationship!'

You will be left wondering how he could throw you away so carelessly, and no-one else will understand why you feel betrayed, because he always said you weren't in a relationship.

We could be married with three kids and he could do this. You see it all of the time on here.

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 25/02/2026 19:05

QuintadosMalvados · 25/02/2026 18:54

OP, being a non-cohabiting boyfriend is about the lowest level of commitment you can get yet he won't even call himself that. Ffs. Wake up.

As low a level as it is, here's what it entails:
Public acknowledgement of the nature of your relationship. None of exist in a vacuum, this is important.
If he has sex with another woman, he will get grief from you, his family and possibly his friends.

Giving up sexual opportunities with other women. This is no small thing for a guy.

Basically, he is not that into you as he would (at least for a while) risk public opprobrium if he treated you badly or give up sexual opportunities.

I think that - rightly or wrongly- you percieve yourself as far less attractive than he is.
Am I right?

Above all, remember one thing:
no label=no relationship=no rules

What’s interesting is that OP said he’d changed after she had another relationship. She’s not said how he’s changed but we can make guesses as to how. Maybe he changed so he could be with her but sort of on his/her terms, keep her sweet if you will. It probably wounded his pride that she had another relationship as he wasn’t expecting that.

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 25/02/2026 19:02

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:57

Behave as a single man how? If you mean sleeping with other women, then we are exclusive.

So I’m still not sure what freedom behaving like a single man brings?

Well he doesn’t need to commit, share bills, finances or anything like that.

QuintadosMalvados · 25/02/2026 18:54

OP, being a non-cohabiting boyfriend is about the lowest level of commitment you can get yet he won't even call himself that. Ffs. Wake up.

As low a level as it is, here's what it entails:
Public acknowledgement of the nature of your relationship. None of exist in a vacuum, this is important.
If he has sex with another woman, he will get grief from you, his family and possibly his friends.

Giving up sexual opportunities with other women. This is no small thing for a guy.

Basically, he is not that into you as he would (at least for a while) risk public opprobrium if he treated you badly or give up sexual opportunities.

I think that - rightly or wrongly- you percieve yourself as far less attractive than he is.
Am I right?

Above all, remember one thing:
no label=no relationship=no rules

fairmaidofutopia · 25/02/2026 18:47

After several hundred messages and lots of sensible opinions, I find your responses rather defensive and fixed. If he is so perfect and you are not bothered either way, and you are so sure he is 100% in to you / faithful to you / committed to you, then why have you felt the need to post?
I suspect the truth is that on some level, you do feel insecure about the fact he refuses to be in a 'relationship' with you, and you are wondering what else you need to do /be to convince him. His refusal to name all that you are to each other, all the time you spend together as a 'relationship', feels on one level slightly insulting.
I'm sure you will come back and say this is not true... But I would ask you to dig deep and ask why you felt the need to muse on this particular subject. Its completely reasonable to want acknowledgement of your place in his life, after several years, it seems churlish that he won't call you his girlfriend / partner.
Personally, I think I would bin him off over this, but you may feel differently

ForFunGoose · 25/02/2026 18:44

Saw a video today that described a man as a taxi, if his unavailable light is on he isn’t interested. He has to chose you, you can’t chose enough for both of ye. Carry on as you are OP but if he died you wouldn’t be chief mourner or next of kin. That matters when you love someone and they love you.

inkognitha · 25/02/2026 18:44

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:48

This mythical smart woman would be alright to have things exactly as they are, but with him calling it a relationship? Is that the bar between smart and stupid, just to be sure?

Oh OP, I feel for you, I have been there

A smart woman would not settle for less that she wants, that’s the bar between smart and stupid.

You want a relationship. That’s your dream, it effing matters. You should cherish, respect and care for this dream, rather than let it get it rubbished (and your life with it) because you met a “halfway there” (some guy with some qualities but also some crucial stuff missing).

Your chance of getting what you want out of him are pretty low. Your chances of getting another great relationship with the commitment you want are unknown, but if I were you, I d take my chances anyway, the odds are very probably much better.

I hope you start to unpack why you want to ignore your dream for just another bloke, why you treat yourself and your own wants with such disregard. Why it has to be him and not one of the billions of other blokes currently roaming the earth. Why you try to pretzel your brain into some weird reasoning to make it acceptable, like this thread.

You want a committed relationship. He doesn’t offer that, then he’s not for you, he’s not worth staying in your life. That’s all the logic you need.

Thatsalineallright · 25/02/2026 18:41

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:59

That’s what this whole post is about. Other than calling it a relationship, what’s the difference? And as you say, it’s whether it’s agreed to call it a relationship.

The difference is in calling it a relationship or not, you're right, and that view/attitude is in itself an important difference. A man who is proud to call you his girlfriend and is eager to see himself as part of a couple has a very different attitude and value system than a man who wants to keep you at a certain distance and doesn't want to be in a relationship.

Both men may be in love, but the first man has a healthy attachment system and the second either has some childhood trauma or is very immature (or simply doesn't care that much, but you say that's not the case). The first man is more conventional/traditional, the second more a free spirit type. The first man sees a romantic relationship as something positive that adds to his life, the second sees it as something to be avoided.

What's in a name? A lot.

ChristmasFluff · 25/02/2026 18:26

He's got all the benefits of a girlfriend, without the commitment of being in a relationship. This makes you a placeholder. A placeholder that he treats well, but a placeholder nonetheless.

When he meets someone who blows his socks off, he'll walk away, dropping you like a hot potato. You will cry, and say, 'but we were making plans for the years to come!' And he will look at you as though you are being crazy, and he will say, 'but I always told you we were not in a relationship!'

You will be left wondering how he could throw you away so carelessly, and no-one else will understand why you feel betrayed, because he always said you weren't in a relationship.

OneNewLeader · 25/02/2026 18:02

Could you ask him to explain how he would describe you to his friends/family? Friend, girlfriend, partner etc. That might be useful.

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 18:00

Worktillate · 25/02/2026 17:58

@Beingaboutare you just being obtuse for the sake of it now?

You asked for opinions, people gave them in droves, the majority of which disagree with you.

You either in a situation where nothing anyone says will change your mind, in which case posting was pointless or you know the answer to your own question and you’re just carrying this on now

I have said many times that I was musing about it in a chat room. There is no need to change my mind.

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Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:59

Thatsalineallright · 25/02/2026 17:57

There is a massive difference, particularly in attitude. But clearly you don't want to hear that.

That’s what this whole post is about. Other than calling it a relationship, what’s the difference? And as you say, it’s whether it’s agreed to call it a relationship.

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Worktillate · 25/02/2026 17:58

@Beingaboutare you just being obtuse for the sake of it now?

You asked for opinions, people gave them in droves, the majority of which disagree with you.

You either in a situation where nothing anyone says will change your mind, in which case posting was pointless or you know the answer to your own question and you’re just carrying this on now

Thatsalineallright · 25/02/2026 17:57

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:51

I agree. That is all it boils down to. There is no difference except the title. Thank you for actually engaging with the question.

There is a massive difference, particularly in attitude. But clearly you don't want to hear that.

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:57

Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 25/02/2026 17:55

I think he has the freedom that as he states he’s not in a relationship he can (I’m assuming) behave as a single man.

Behave as a single man how? If you mean sleeping with other women, then we are exclusive.

So I’m still not sure what freedom behaving like a single man brings?

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 25/02/2026 17:57

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:56

Because when I left him things were not as they are. At the time we’d been back in touch for a year or so, we’d seen each other casually now and then and there was no suggestion of being exclusive. I met someone who asked me out, so I went, and it went well and we agreed to be in a relationship and so I told this man that was it.

It didn’t last long. It’s been very different since I went back.

So he’s changed since you’ve been back?

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:56

Thatsalineallright · 25/02/2026 15:53

I'm wondering, OP why you left him for another man if you're happy with things the way they are?

Because when I left him things were not as they are. At the time we’d been back in touch for a year or so, we’d seen each other casually now and then and there was no suggestion of being exclusive. I met someone who asked me out, so I went, and it went well and we agreed to be in a relationship and so I told this man that was it.

It didn’t last long. It’s been very different since I went back.

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Gonnagetgoingreturnsagain · 25/02/2026 17:55

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:53

What freedoms does he have that I don’t?

I think he has the freedom that as he states he’s not in a relationship he can (I’m assuming) behave as a single man.

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:53

ForFunGoose · 25/02/2026 15:19

I think his lack of labels and public recognition are signs OP

All you have posted here shows you are confused. He has freedom from it (whatever it is) and you don’t.

I think you are naive to think this is an equal relationship, it’s obviously not enough for you.

What freedoms does he have that I don’t?

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Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:53

QuintadosMalvados · 25/02/2026 15:10

Sometimes there are threads where the OP asks 'aibu?' and 95% think that indeed they are being unreasonable. The OP argues that she/he is right and everybody else is wrong and on it goes for pages.

Then someone comes along and posts
something that is taking the OP's 'side' but instead has the effect of a bucket of cold water to the OP's head that makes them realise that they are indeed being unreasonable.

This here is that post. 😁

(I mean no offence at all but very few people want to be 'companions'. Especially if young-ish.)

Edited

The vote isn’t 95%. I couldn’t care less about being called a companion.

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Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:51

throwawayimplantchat · 25/02/2026 09:47

What you’re doing that’s different to a relationship is that usually in a relationship, both people agree they are in a relationship. However in your case, one of you doesn’t agree you’re in a relationship.

That’s what it boils down to really I think? It feels like you don’t want to accept any answers as valid but surely that one is?

I agree. That is all it boils down to. There is no difference except the title. Thank you for actually engaging with the question.

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Random321 · 25/02/2026 17:50

You identify as being in a relationship.

One of the key determining factors is mutual agreement that you are in a relationship.

You wish you were, feel like you are, tell yourself you are but it's not possible to be in a relationship with someone who doesn't want to be.

Beingabout · 25/02/2026 17:50

NoisyViewer · 25/02/2026 07:41

Not to be blunt but you’ve known him in the region of 20 years and don’t know if you’re in a relationship or not. People are judging by what you’ve written. Either way to have him actively say you’re not in a relationship is to be cruel. It’s reasonable for people to come to the conclusion that hes stringing you along because even you’re confused

I think there is a huge amount of projection going on in a lot of the replies.

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