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To think we are in a relationship?

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Beingabout · 22/02/2026 18:20

We are in our late 30s. We’ve been friends since we were teenagers. We had several casual flings with each other throughout our 20s. About six years ago we started seeing each other more often, but he didn’t want a relationship.

Five years ago I met someone else, and given the stance of not wanting a relationship, I went out with him and ended up in a relationship with him. I gave the first man every opportunity to stop it but he didn’t. Anyway, we broke up after a few months and the first man and I ended up back in touch. I made it clear at this point that I was only interested in being back in touch if we weren’t going to be seeing anyone else, which he agreed to.

Since then we’ve become closer and closer. I trust that he’s not, and is not interested in, seeing anyone else. He's supportive and caring (which it’s fair to say he wasn’t in our 20s). He’s thoughtful and kind. We go on holiday together and exchange Christmas and birthday presents. I have started to refer to him as my boyfriend, which he knows about and doesn’t seem bothered about.

He woukd still say we’re not in a relationship. I can’t see how this isn’t a relationship?

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IfThen · 22/02/2026 19:42

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:29

Except that we have agreed to be exclusive, so he's not free to do what he wants with who he wants.

For heaven’s sake, OP. You said years ago that you would only be ‘back in touch’ with him if he wasn’t seeing anyone else. He agreed. He’s (presumably, as far as you know) not currently seeing anyone else. But as he doesn’t regard himself as in a relationship, he’s within his rights to describe himself as single, isn’t bound to not keep an eye out for someone he would be interested in a relationship with, if he met her. Just as I wasn’t looking for a relationship when I ran into DH, but found one anyway.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:41

InterestQ · 22/02/2026 19:35

When you’ve met his mum or his sister or whatever, how were you introduced?

how is Christmas? Does he spend it with his girlfriend (you?) or what? I know lots of men hate the term “partner” but anyway. Do either of you have children? If he got sepsis and was rushed to hospital, would his family ring you to tell you? Do you know who is lawyer is, do you have keys to his house and vice versa.

if some total stranger said to his dad “is your son single?” Would his dad say “no, he has a lovely girlfriend Beingaboyt that we adore” or would he say “there’s a woman he makes reference to that we’ve met a few times but I don’t think she’s forever, for various reasons he’s mentioned.”

As a friend - I met them well before we were ever anything else.

We usually spend Christmas Eve together but the day with our families. We both have young nieces we both want to see on Christmas Day.

Yes, if he was rushed to hospital I’d be told. I know he doesn’t have a lawyer. We don’t have keys to each other’s houses, we’d never use them.

I think they’d probably just say he was seeing someone.

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DollydaydreamTheThird · 22/02/2026 19:41

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:01

I don’t know. I think he's got some sort of strange issue with the word. He’s happy to be faithful, to speak several times a day, see each other often, support me, obviously thinks about me frequently and buys me gifts he thinks I’d like, books holidays, confides in me. But he seems to have a strange issue with the word relationship. In moments of armchair psychologist moments I wonder if it is to do with his childhood.

It will definitely be to do with his childhood. He needs therapy but only he can decide to do that. I think you are wasting your time OP. You say you're happy but if you truly were you wouldn't be posting about it on mumsnet. Speaking as someone who wasted 10 years of their life on a man who didn't want to commit, I would say have a proper think about what you want your life to look like and if you can accept it as it is then crack on.

TheBlueKoala · 22/02/2026 19:41

I can't afford the Maldives but I'm perfectly happy with Greece for the time being. Like your "bf" @Beingabout

ONTHEPREMISES · 22/02/2026 19:40

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:32

He doesn’t want kids or to get married and never has.

Again you could be in for a nasty shock on that.
We've all seen the man who suddenly meets The One and wants everything, kids and marriage, and who ditches the fine for now filler girl.

Either way he's told you he doesn't want what he has with you to be regarded as a relationship.

Delatron · 22/02/2026 19:39

When a man really loves a woman he won’t want to hide it. He will want to tell everyone.

I think you deserve more than this OP. You always hear about these situations with apparently commitment phobic men. Until they meet the right woman and they get married and have kids so fast your head will spin.

TheMorgenmuffel · 22/02/2026 19:37

All your replies say how great he is and how happy you are, he won't be unfaithful, he wants you, etc so what's the problem?

ONTHEPREMISES · 22/02/2026 19:36

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

I’ve asked him a few times how exactly what we are differs from a relationship, and he can’t answer.

There's something though isn't there OP?
He's not articulating it but he's telling you there is something this isn't, something for him that is missing and doesn't make this a relationship.

You can pretend that it's fine because day to day it works as if it were a relationship.

But he's categorically told you it's not.

I would bet money he's also told family and friends this and refers to you as a really good friend.
And they all feel slightly awkward because they know you think it's more and he's been clear to them it's not.

InterestQ · 22/02/2026 19:35

When you’ve met his mum or his sister or whatever, how were you introduced?

how is Christmas? Does he spend it with his girlfriend (you?) or what? I know lots of men hate the term “partner” but anyway. Do either of you have children? If he got sepsis and was rushed to hospital, would his family ring you to tell you? Do you know who is lawyer is, do you have keys to his house and vice versa.

if some total stranger said to his dad “is your son single?” Would his dad say “no, he has a lovely girlfriend Beingaboyt that we adore” or would he say “there’s a woman he makes reference to that we’ve met a few times but I don’t think she’s forever, for various reasons he’s mentioned.”

outerspacepotato · 22/02/2026 19:33

Do you think a relationship is one sided?Both people agree to be in a relationship. He hasn't agreed to that. That means you're not in one, no matter how hard you insist you are. You're ignoring his point of view.

You're Ms Right Now rather than Ms Right. If someone he likes better comes along, he's out of there. He doesn't care that you call him your boyfriend because it means zilch to him.

ToKittyornottoKitty · 22/02/2026 19:33

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

The thing is though, I absolutely don’t doubt that he wants me.

But he literally doesn’t want you as his girlfriend? And that clearly bothers you on some level or you wouldn’t have made the thread.

Madarch · 22/02/2026 19:32

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

I’ve asked him a few times how exactly what we are differs from a relationship, and he can’t answer.

I think relationship suggests longevity, and that's what he's reluctant to commit to.

Random321 · 22/02/2026 19:32

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

The thing is though, I absolutely don’t doubt that he wants me.

Then you can't be helped.

He wants you as a stand in/place holder at best.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:32

ONTHEPREMISES · 22/02/2026 19:26

Maybe he sees a relationship as having kids living together and marriage.

What he's saying is he doesn't want those things with you.

When he meets the right person then he'll do the relationship things.
To him presents and holidays don't make a relationship.

He doesn’t want kids or to get married and never has.

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Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

Random321 · 22/02/2026 19:26

If a man wants you, it's extremely clear.

You don't have to question it, doubt it or think about it.

You're basically grand for now but the minute a better option cones along, he's gone and you'll be left hurt.

Why not have the conversation? This isn't good enough for me. I want a proper relationship and given you don't want that we'll have to part ways.

The blunter version of this is "I've no longer happy with being treated so poorly".

The thing is though, I absolutely don’t doubt that he wants me.

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TheMorgenmuffel · 22/02/2026 19:31

Won't answer.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:31

Ohyeahitsme · 22/02/2026 19:25

This seems really odd and I'd be asking what difference he sees between what you guys have and a relationship.

I think his answer will either make him realise you are in a relationship or will enlighten you as to whether this is a path you want to continue down.

I’ve asked him a few times how exactly what we are differs from a relationship, and he can’t answer.

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TheMorgenmuffel · 22/02/2026 19:30

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:26

This would absolutely not be the case. He would, of course, have to ‘break up’ with me, and he would definitely know that would cause quite a few emotions.

Emotions he would believe you were totally unreasonable to be having because he has spent years telling you you arent the one for him.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:29

SomedayIllBeSaturdayNight · 22/02/2026 19:22

I'd guess, because then he doesn't owe you anything. If he is single he is perfectly free to do whatever he wants any time he wants with whoever he wants and you can't say or do anything about it because you're not in a relationship.

Except that we have agreed to be exclusive, so he's not free to do what he wants with who he wants.

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HarbourClankCat · 22/02/2026 19:29

I’d be concerned that he is not seeing you as the one. I think you may be in a sort of relationship, but a practice one for him. He has been honest with you though.

We know someone in our friend group in this sort of set up. It’s not really happy, but rubs along ok and has done for 20 odd years. He complains privately he loves her like a sister but she was never really the one and he always expected the one to come along. She feels she’s wasted the best years of her life trying to save him (and show him what a loving relationship is), and I suspect she’s fearful of backing out and starting again now. On the face of it they get on, are affectionate, enjoy each other’s company as companions though.

I’d just be wary if this is what you may be committing yourself to and what you are happy to settle for.

TheMorgenmuffel · 22/02/2026 19:28

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 18:45

Promises of what?

No promises of a future together.

You are Ms Right-Now for him.

He doesn't see himself growing old with you, basically.

Either you are willing to take what he's offering or you aren't.
You can't make him change what he's offering.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:28

Missj25 · 22/02/2026 19:22

What do you mean by “ he would still say we are not in a relationship “?
He doesn’t mind you referring to him as your bf though ?, sorry but I’m confused 🤷🏻‍♀️.
You say you holiday together, what about weekends, do you spend them together doing stuff ?

Yes, we don’t want kids. Not every weekend - this weekend I've been away with friends for example.

No, he doesn’t care I refer to him as my boyfriend.

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ONTHEPREMISES · 22/02/2026 19:28

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:26

This would absolutely not be the case. He would, of course, have to ‘break up’ with me, and he would definitely know that would cause quite a few emotions.

I think you may be in for a nasty shock.

Beingabout · 22/02/2026 19:27

myrosegoldlife · 22/02/2026 19:16

I’ve been where you are OP.
Eventually he decided he did want to label us as “girlfriend and boyfriend”. Somehow in all of the second guessing I’d been doing I believed he was “the prize” and I was so lucky to be the woman he chose as his girlfriend after years of being single after his divorce.

Turns out, even then the label meant nothing and the only thing he was committed to was himself and his needs. Still slept around with other women behind my back (until I caught him). I could barely believe it would be possible given how much time we spent together, but he managed it.

I wish I’d have walked away the first time he ever had me questioning “what” we were….

He’s not sleeping around behind my back though.

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ONTHEPREMISES · 22/02/2026 19:26

Maybe he sees a relationship as having kids living together and marriage.

What he's saying is he doesn't want those things with you.

When he meets the right person then he'll do the relationship things.
To him presents and holidays don't make a relationship.