To think there's a growing amount of people who think food can fix everything?

@breastcancerpanicI didn’t mean to imply that a good diet will stop everyone from ever getting cancer and I apologise if the phrasing came off that way. A healthy diet is, on a population level, thought to be protective against a number of cancers. It is not the only contributing factor and cancer cannot be blamed on diet alone.

My mum is 81, smoked from 14-32, is size 18-20, has never exercised in her life, eaten and drunk whatever she wanted, and apart from having lymphoma which she has beaten and a bout of pneumonia in 2023, she is going strong.

Yes she’s well overweight (and I have a tendency to be the same shape so I am more careful with how much I eat) but I have done a lot more exercise including having a horse, so I don’t care whether things are carby, upf or whatever, I just eat what I like but not too much of it.

@OliviaWhatshername No you are accusing me of things I haven’t said as I think you have confused me with someone else.

It’s not rude to correct you…

Why don’t you take some of that ownership you were talking about?

Try this recipe it’s delicious, not overly watery!

www.bbcgoodfood.com/recipes/butternut-squash-soup-chilli-creme-fraiche

On the cancer thing - I find this whole area difficult because I've had breast cancer (as my username probably gives away!) and I have always had a super-healthy lifestyle (pescatarian, loads of veg, healthy BMI, teetotal, running etc etc). If eating healthily could cause or prevent cancer, I wouldn't have had cancer! My guess is that HRT played a big role in mine (which was hormone-positive).
What I do understand is that claims about the relationship between cancer and diet are statistical - at the population-level, I understand that cancer is rarer in the healthy-eating cohort. But that doesn't mean that you can't have a super-healthy lifestyle and still get cancer! Other things play a role too.

@LadyCrustybread thanks, I’m glad you elaborated. I don’t think anyone on the thread has said we shouldn’t eat/be healthy just that it won’t necessarily “protect” you.

Your emojis aren't doing your words any favours.

You were rude, confrontational, and are still being so.

And a bit silly. Most veg soups are made from veggies and water (and stock.) WTF do you expect in them"

can't be arsed with this- more soup to make.

I eat really well and I feel like shit all the time 🤷🏻‍♀️

Please do share it so that I can educate myself then…

Then you acknowledged you ate a tin of Heinz

I didn’t say that at all, again reread my posts as you are confused.

Although there is nothing wrong with a tin of Heinz soup

Then you made it obvious you don't have a clue about how to make soup as you didn't appear to know the veggies are blended!

Huh?

But you didn't have to be rude or so confrontational.

😆😆😆

There are far more up to date research trials than that- one from around 5 years ago.

I 💯 agree! The gym bunnies and their protein obsession- I don’t know how they even shit! And yet they harp on about it constantly, especially when they take to social media.

An orthorexic/ protein obsessed friend said to me just yesterday “I eat loads of fibre! For example for breakfast I had poached egg and spinach” 🤣 healthy? Yes. It has next to no fibre though.

however, life is life and the aim of all people to be eating an optimal diet rather than choosing what they like is bizarre.
I have plenty of friends who eat brilliantly and gym but then once a week go out to an amazing restaurant and drink strong 5 cocktails. Why not?

a couple of them were obese by the way, part of your 30%. They’re actually not obese anymore as they’re on weight loss injections. Nothing else has changed in their lives but I imagine the orthorexics excuse them from
the disgust now their BMi is under 30.

It doesn't, not just the way the poster has written it.

Having a healthy gut microbiome means that our immune system is able to regulate cell growth and division and help prevent rogue (cancer) cells growing.

Immunotherapy for cancer works better when the gut microbiome is healthy. There is international research on this and it goes as far as suggesting patients on immunotherapy should not be on antibiotics (which upset the microbiome) before treatment starts.

Notice I said interacts with the systems that destroy cancer cells. I’m not saying that broccoli gets rid of your cancer. Diet has a role to play in apoptosis as I explained before you commented. Also see the study provided above.

Nope. There is no irony, just lack of ownership for comments you made.

@OliviaWhatshername yiu need to reread your posts. You came across smug & condescending hence why posters have disagreed with you.

Take ownership? Did you mean to write that as it doesn’t make any sense 😆

I’m doing dietetics at university and its something we have briefly looked at. The above was paraphrased from Oxford Academic - please find one source below:

https://academic.oup.com/carcin/article-abstract/28/2/233/2476711?redirectedFrom=fulltext

Diet interacts with every single part of your system from the destruction of cancer cells

How does diet destroy cancer cells @LadyCrustybread?

Nope. There is no irony, just lack of ownership for comments you made.

I gave an example of a cheap meal in response to your first post about healthy food sometimes being expensive.

You tore into my example of a homemade soup, said it was revolting (more or less) even though you'd never made it yourself.

Then you acknowledged you ate a tin of Heinz.

Then you made it obvious you don't have a clue about how to make soup as you didn't appear to know the veggies are blended!

If you don't like carrot and lentil soup, fine. I really don't care.

It was an example of how to make a nutritious lunch for under £1.

But you didn't have to be rude or so confrontational.

Where did you get that from?

I never said it destructs cancer cells… it plays a role in it though.

Dietary habits directly modulate apoptosis (programmed cell death) by regulating signaling pathways, influencing the balance between cell survival and destruction, particularly in cancer prevention. Consuming nutrient-dense foods (e.g., fruits, veggies) contributes to healthy systems that perform apoptosis in damaged cells, while diets high in sugar, refined carbs, and processed meat suppress these systems allowing dysfunctional cells to survive.

The NDNS is a study that looks at how people in the UK eat and actually you’re being far more generous than orthorexics are being cruel. Brits of all ages don’t eat enough fibre or vegetables/fruit and eat too much meat, convenience food, sugar sweetened drinks and saturated fats. People DO eat Greggs everyday at 18 and continue until their 60s. Over 60% of adults are overweight… 30% are obese!

food does not destruct cancer cells - are you sure that’s what you meant to write? Neither is your body made from food. Fuelled by food yes.

I don't know what you're hoping to gain with your posts. You're coming over as bit goady

The irony! 😆

People cling to diet because, frankly, there isn’t much else. We don’t like to face it, but our medicine is pretty feeble. We can barely cure anything. We can’t even cure the common cold. We can treat cancer and dementia and Parkinson’s and MND and all the other horrors our bodies inflict on us, but we can hardly ever cure them. And let’s face it, an African shaman could treat you, I could treat you.

I always get the impression that the orthorexics assume the public take their bad diet to extremes too, whereas the reality is far more nuanced.

many young people eat very badly in their late teens 20s. Does it cause chronic disease on or shorten their life? Very unlikely provided they, as the majority will, improve their diet when they get older and settle in a home, routine, family etc.

Many young people drink excessively and vape.
Again, at a young age you can get away with this provided you stop, or in the case of alcohol reduce, as many do. At 25, it is unlike to cause lasting damage.

people have - as the great Taylor swift demonstrated-eras. They don’t start eating daily take out and Greggs at 18 and they’re still doing it at 56.

many people eat upf occasionally. Many people eat a take away and actually just buy chicken and rice from Nando, or pasta and sauce, or a curry from their local Indian restaurant. They’re not buying some alien food made from ground up mad cow brains (like we were in the 80s)
These things are treats and not unhealthy in that sense.

many people eat the occasional ready meal buy look at the ingredients and chose one that has the same ingredients as home made. Many people realise that pre chopped cabbage is no different to buying a unchopped cabbage.

The whole Zoe thing is not a grift, and it’s based on scientific fact. However, it is also very much for the middle class worried well, and Zoe has made a lot of money for their investors.

Michael Pollan had it right when he came up with the line “Eat food, not too much, mostly plants.”

The trouble is, that line is really hard to monetise, which is why you don’t hear it much…