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To be so glad WFH became a thing (and to absolutely hate anyone who tries to curtail its availability)

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Designless · 22/02/2026 09:55

It's just life changingly good

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Ohyeahitsme · 23/02/2026 11:38

Absolutely. No way DH and I could have both climbed the career ladder if we hadn't both been able to WFH the majority of the time.

I honestly don't understand why people have such an issue with it. I've managed teams of people pre WFH and post and see equal or more productivity in WFH people. Shirkers and slackers are equally easy to spot and deal with - currently dealing with one!

Donotfitin · 23/02/2026 11:36

I’m glad because I benefit from it, but personally I don’t like it. I only do it because I have to.

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:55

But it is a fundamental issue of WFH when you can't contact people and they dont have access to systems.

I've worked with the NHS for nearly 20 years, across departments, I'm well aware of being fobbed off. I'm also aware of how much easier some things were pre-COVID and how some things have improved post-COVID.

Binus · 23/02/2026 10:50

The performance of NHS admin in roles where remote work isn't permitted doesn't fill me with optimism that trying to bring all the finance staff back full time would fix the problems.

Recruitment sqeezes bite, unfortunately.

gannett · 23/02/2026 10:47

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:42

100% agree, but that is the problem; they don't have access to the correct systems, and years down the line, if it's not been sorted out, you shouldn't be working from home.

I could bore the arse off people, not just with tales of poor accounts departments, but across the spectrum of back office roles and where things have been delayed because a key member of staff, normally senior, is WFH and no one can contact them at 3 in the afternoon or they can't give you a remote access PIN because they are not in the office.

Like I said, I used to have to make up excuses for why we couldn't pay our suppliers. Back in the day I'd have to invent meetings that had inexplicably overrun for senior members of staff, and might well overrun for another few hours, who knows! Or they just popped out of the office and who knows when they'd be back, maybe tomorrow or maybe not until next month? Seems like that excuse has just been adjusted to the WFH era.

Poor accounts depts are poor accounts depts regardless. You're getting fobbed off whether everyone's in the office or everyone's WFH. It doesn't actually say anything about the fundamental merits of WFH as a concept.

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:42

gannett · 23/02/2026 10:33

Seems like the issue is their poor systems, not WFH.

Inability to access the required systems is not an inherent part of WFH. I can access everything I need to WFH, as can my company's accounts department.

Also, if a company doesn't want to pay you on time then it won't help if everyone's in the office and able to access everything they need. In my awful first job out of uni, I had to answer the phone to our suppliers and was told to fob them off rather than let them talk to our accounts department. It was hideously embarrassing, especially when you found yourself recycling excuses to the same people for weeks on end.

100% agree, but that is the problem; they don't have access to the correct systems, and years down the line, if it's not been sorted out, you shouldn't be working from home.

I could bore the arse off people, not just with tales of poor accounts departments, but across the spectrum of back office roles and where things have been delayed because a key member of staff, normally senior, is WFH and no one can contact them at 3 in the afternoon or they can't give you a remote access PIN because they are not in the office.

YourFluentQuoter · 23/02/2026 10:41

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:25

Yeah, it's not that. Come back when you're owed 80k for goods or services delivered, and it's 120+ days late, (Record was well over 200 days) but Tina can't speak to Bob, or see the system notes, or phone and speak to the end user to confirm 'POD' because they are working from home and can't access the systems.

I've been told, directly, that some places are on payment holds and only pay those who basically shout the loudest. A backlog after COVID, yes, six years on that doesn't wash.

If I treated my suppliers like this, I would be blacklisted.

That's an individual problem in that dept by the sounds of it and nothing to do with WFH even if that's the excuse they've given.

I work for the NHS and suddenly during covid when many started WFH including me, systems that were previously unaccessible to many workers became accessible because of WFH.

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:36

Designless · 23/02/2026 09:51

It would probably be better if the NHS brought whatever it is you're charging them for in-house and then we'd all be happier...

Yes, because the NHS has no outside contractors 🙄- grow up.

You could say that about every industry. You said you worked for Whithall - did you procure all services from within? Nope, didn't think so.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 10:34

EsperTillus · 23/02/2026 03:10

Agreed. If it’s been proven that the work can be done remotely, I struggle to take it seriously when leadership insist that office days are “necessary”. Why is it necessary? So that the Team Leader can go around leaving a packet of Haribo’s on everyone’s desk to celebrate 10 years since Julie from HR joined the company?!

They’ve presumably hired us as they trust us as a functioning, productive and professional adults. In my cell centre role, I answer 70 calls a day whether I’m at home or in the office. My stats and customer feedback are among the best in the team. Why the insistence that I come in twice a week when I’m already proven to be a reliable member of staff? There’s no operational need for it, Our department is so busy that even on office days we don’t have time to chat to our colleagues- we’re all snowed under with phone calls. The structure of the day is exactly the same on office days as it is on home days - you log in, take calls in between your breaks and then log off. Any team meetings or trainings are held over Teams with everyone wearing headsets, even if we’re all sat next to each other in the office. When I need support from a manager on a complex call, I have to message them on Teams, even if they are sat next to me in the office! This is so we have a “record” of everything. It’s fecking ridiculous.

Then you have incidents with people running in who come in 20 minutes late breathless and looking disheveled because the train got delayed, and they get bollocked and told “you need to get an earlier train” (despite already leaving the house well over an hour before the shift starts, and if the train is only once every hour like mine is then they’d have to leave the house 2 hours before and hang around to avoid being late). This reduces morale because the staff member knows damn well their job can be done from home as they do it 3x a week without issue.

In a business where there is a genuine operational need for some days to be in office, then I understand it completely. I also understand if companies want people in during the probation period. But I think in cases when the work can be done from home, and there’s no genuine operational need for people to be in the office, the apron strings should be cut somewhat. If the person’s performance drops (this can be monitored through systems), then by all means maybe call them back in for a bit.

If you want me in once a month to touch base and make sure I’m still around and haven’t buggered off to the Maldives and trained an AI to do my job, then fair enough. But you don’t need to see me twice a week.

Employees appreciate being treated like adults, not schoolchildren.

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Call centres like yours are an are where employers have hired people for years for wfh scenarios, though. So no surprise it works well.

But there are plenty of sectors where the things that make this effective are not, or are less of, a factor. Not all jobs can track productivity very easily. Some sectors involve a lot more collaborative work. In some mentorship, apprenticeship and training are an important part of not only the individual's work, but team work.

MountainFlareMouse · 23/02/2026 10:33

If WFH is ever banned by people likes of
Farage then loads of women wont have savings, nor a pension, nor a career. Not everyone lives near a hub of jobs (like me stuck in Cornwall!)

I thought we moved past all of this? I'm sure loads of Mumsnet threads urge women to work and be independent. Be part of the economy etc

The hypocrisy is maddening.

FWIW I actually introduced time tracking in the office in my last role. Two of the loudest, most seemingly overworked and stressed team members couldn't hide the fact their output was shockingly low. Stomping around the office, gossiping, acting all huffy and stressed. Performance improvement plans didn't work. And they left.

So skiving shysters exist in the office as well as at home - you'll get slackers everywhere. Just look at parliament

gannett · 23/02/2026 10:33

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:25

Yeah, it's not that. Come back when you're owed 80k for goods or services delivered, and it's 120+ days late, (Record was well over 200 days) but Tina can't speak to Bob, or see the system notes, or phone and speak to the end user to confirm 'POD' because they are working from home and can't access the systems.

I've been told, directly, that some places are on payment holds and only pay those who basically shout the loudest. A backlog after COVID, yes, six years on that doesn't wash.

If I treated my suppliers like this, I would be blacklisted.

Seems like the issue is their poor systems, not WFH.

Inability to access the required systems is not an inherent part of WFH. I can access everything I need to WFH, as can my company's accounts department.

Also, if a company doesn't want to pay you on time then it won't help if everyone's in the office and able to access everything they need. In my awful first job out of uni, I had to answer the phone to our suppliers and was told to fob them off rather than let them talk to our accounts department. It was hideously embarrassing, especially when you found yourself recycling excuses to the same people for weeks on end.

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 10:25

TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 09:53

Perhaps they are trying to get through the backlog but they can't because people keep calling them thinking they are the priority. That happens in offices too.

Yeah, it's not that. Come back when you're owed 80k for goods or services delivered, and it's 120+ days late, (Record was well over 200 days) but Tina can't speak to Bob, or see the system notes, or phone and speak to the end user to confirm 'POD' because they are working from home and can't access the systems.

I've been told, directly, that some places are on payment holds and only pay those who basically shout the loudest. A backlog after COVID, yes, six years on that doesn't wash.

If I treated my suppliers like this, I would be blacklisted.

TempestTost · 23/02/2026 10:23

Designless · 23/02/2026 02:52

... You aren't making a logical argument here.

Employers need to offer desirable working conditions or their businesses will deservedly fold.

Even if that were so, they would have no obligation to create a wfh job.It is their money and business. As the person accepting the money, all you can do is say you won't work for them if you don't like the position, whether that is because it requires being in an office, or on a factory line tinning beans.

But is it so? Maybe in your sector at the moment. But have you seen the youth unemployment numbers lately?

And in every stack of resumes I get sent from my boss to look at, among the others there are a number of well educated Indians and often a Nigerian, and you can bet they are willing to work in the location the employer wants them to, if local candidates won't. (Though my position is in an old mining town and people are not going to turn down any good job because they prefer not to commute.)

MargoLivebetter · 23/02/2026 09:56

Agree 100%. I work equally from home and from the office and I think I work better at home than I do in the office. There are no distractions at home, whereas in the office I'm constantly interrupted. My days are less tiring at home too, as I don't have an hour long commute at either end of the day. My conditions are superior at home too as I have my desk, chair and equipment set up exactly as I like them and they are better quality than those in the office.

There will always be slackers, whether they are wfh or in the office. It has proven perfectly possible to manage people wfh.

louderthan · 23/02/2026 09:55

Work from home makes it much easier for disabled people and single parents/carers to work. More people in work and being productive members of society instead of leeching benefits from hard working tax payers, isn’t that what Farage wants??

TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 09:53

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 09:34

WFH has its place, but when you're owed 80k by the NHS and the accounts team is still working from home and don't have the ability to pick up VMs from home, can't find X, Y or Z on Teams as they are not replying, can't call them directly because WFH and they dont have a number and tehy can't call you back, they can't access payment systems from home, etc, etc, something is wrong very wrong.

This is one of hundreds of daily issues we face from staff who are WFH. We only deal with public services, so I can't say if this runs as deep with private services, but I can always speak to our company's accountant.

If it wasn't a GDPR breach, I could show some very, very comical exchanges where WFH is a major problem.

Back in 2020 when people had no choice, and places were just shut, people were genuinely doing their best, it was fair game as we were all in the soup together, but anything 12 months on and you can't access or fully do your job 100% while WFH you need to be in the office.

Perhaps they are trying to get through the backlog but they can't because people keep calling them thinking they are the priority. That happens in offices too.

SoSadSoSadSoSad · 23/02/2026 09:53

Denim4ever · 23/02/2026 09:45

I have the reverse. Our new office is near the playground/sports area of a prep school. The kids are very screamy, the up himself sports teacher is the worst though. A real nasty piece of work, humiliating small children.

So I'm glad about my days at home. No headphones needed to be able to analyse stats and not too much outdoor noise

I would totally pay the school a visit about this teacher. Tell them what you’ve heard.

YourFluentQuoter · 23/02/2026 09:52

Yes, life-changingly good. I'd never go back.

boxsetqueen · 23/02/2026 09:52

100% same. WFH has improved my quality of life so much and I didn't even have a long commute to begin with.

Designless · 23/02/2026 09:51

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 09:34

WFH has its place, but when you're owed 80k by the NHS and the accounts team is still working from home and don't have the ability to pick up VMs from home, can't find X, Y or Z on Teams as they are not replying, can't call them directly because WFH and they dont have a number and tehy can't call you back, they can't access payment systems from home, etc, etc, something is wrong very wrong.

This is one of hundreds of daily issues we face from staff who are WFH. We only deal with public services, so I can't say if this runs as deep with private services, but I can always speak to our company's accountant.

If it wasn't a GDPR breach, I could show some very, very comical exchanges where WFH is a major problem.

Back in 2020 when people had no choice, and places were just shut, people were genuinely doing their best, it was fair game as we were all in the soup together, but anything 12 months on and you can't access or fully do your job 100% while WFH you need to be in the office.

It would probably be better if the NHS brought whatever it is you're charging them for in-house and then we'd all be happier...

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TheBestThingthatAlmostHappened · 23/02/2026 09:49

Blindsided2025 · 23/02/2026 09:04

In which case, the situation has nothing at all to do with wfh so isn’t relevant here.

I think it is. People should have a reasonable expectation to be able to enjoy their home in the day, regardless of if they are working or sleeping or anything else, but it should be taken into account that a lot of people are working. Screaming all day isn't reasonable. Our next door neighbour will regularly spend all day on the phone, shouting and playing loud rap music. He doesn't work but I'm sure he'd find it annoying if I made that much noise all day. It's inconsiderate and irritating. I bought this house, I should be able to work here.

Denim4ever · 23/02/2026 09:45

Auburngal · 23/02/2026 08:14

One thing Im dreading when WFH during the school holidays on a dry day. As there are two families of kids that ride their bikes and microscooters up and down the residential car park outside my home, screaming all day.

A colleague on my team asked the children opposite her to keep the noise down. Their mother yelled at her saying that her DC have every right to scream. I think the mothers of the kids near me look like they have the same attitude problem.

I have the reverse. Our new office is near the playground/sports area of a prep school. The kids are very screamy, the up himself sports teacher is the worst though. A real nasty piece of work, humiliating small children.

So I'm glad about my days at home. No headphones needed to be able to analyse stats and not too much outdoor noise

Lampzade · 23/02/2026 09:45

Designless · 22/02/2026 09:55

It's just life changingly good

Me too

NewYearNewJob2024 · 23/02/2026 09:43

I’m not able to WFH (doesn’t bother me as I do like getting out and going to work) but my DH does and it’s just the best thing! He loves it and it makes life so much easier, especially juggling two DC in different settings.
And I completely agree with all the other factors too!

40YearOldDad · 23/02/2026 09:34

WFH has its place, but when you're owed 80k by the NHS and the accounts team is still working from home and don't have the ability to pick up VMs from home, can't find X, Y or Z on Teams as they are not replying, can't call them directly because WFH and they dont have a number and tehy can't call you back, they can't access payment systems from home, etc, etc, something is wrong very wrong.

This is one of hundreds of daily issues we face from staff who are WFH. We only deal with public services, so I can't say if this runs as deep with private services, but I can always speak to our company's accountant.

If it wasn't a GDPR breach, I could show some very, very comical exchanges where WFH is a major problem.

Back in 2020 when people had no choice, and places were just shut, people were genuinely doing their best, it was fair game as we were all in the soup together, but anything 12 months on and you can't access or fully do your job 100% while WFH you need to be in the office.