To stop nurse from giving me an Iv flush?

Why what?

why have I had a few appointments? None of your business!

why am I asking about the band? Because it’s there right at the start of op’s post. That this person is a band 4. How does she know that and what does it mean? Does the grading start at 0 or 1 and go up (to what?) in terms of qualifications and what they’re able to do or start at 10 or 100 and go down? Who knows? Not me that’s for sure.

Most wards have a display board with different uniforms in my experience. But even so the OP is a nurse themselves so probably knows what the uniforms mean without asking/looking at the board?

I'm not in acute nursing for a few years now, but certainly when I was, band 4 couldn't do the long lines and neither could a 5 unless they had done extra training.

I also used to work with many amazing international nurses who had great skills but were not NMC registered in the UK so working below their level of training as a band 3 or 4.

They certainly weren't allowed to perform band 5 tasks just because they knew how. It defeats the point of the the registrations and professional accountability.

A band 4 employee isn't a nurse.

2 people don’t have to check

and in some places band 4’s can flush a picc

Its not entitled to expect people to work within the scope of their role and qualifications according to the policy of the place they are working only.

Always protect your line, some people don’t understand the importance of that. I have stopped people when they haven’t accessed the line properly.

I'm sorry OP, I don't know anything about hospital stuff but you're obviously feeling quite stressed about some of the staff. Is there not someone you can escalate to so you can feel safer?

Also a nurse, and band 4s i have worked with are not allowed to flush lines, any lines at all. They could cannulate but not flush at all, a qualified nurse, not NA had to flush after they inserted it. Her qualifications outside of the trust she is working in are irrelevent. If she, as a band 4, is not allowed to flush in the environment you are in, you were absolutely right to not let her.

And as for bands, all the wards where i have worked, and dotted around the hospital corridors, and some 6 foot tall signage at high traffic entry/exit foors, have massive signs up, showing uniforms, and their banding/role, so paitients know what job they are there to do. Thats across 2 different trusts.

Tbf I'd be arsey as well if I was full.of cancer and I'm hospital with an infection and strangers started asking stupid fucking questions.

I'd hazard a guess everyone on this thread would be.

Cringing for some on this thread like.

Im a nurse and absolutely no way can a band 4 flush a PICC. Some band five’s can’t either u til they’ve done the training. She might be qualified in her own country. But you aren’t in hoer country. Speak to NIC.

Why did it need flushing, if your on medication the staff nurses should be flushing before and after each dose anyway and checking and disconnecting any infusions,

Well then that's the answer. There's no need to be arsey.

Tbh you sound a little rude toward her. She woke you for a medical necessity... she was trying to help you up. You can just say "I don't need help, thanks". No idea what the shower or omelette have to do with anything...?

Re the qualification part. If she's not qualified or you would prefer 2 nurses then just tell the nurse in charge this.

2 don't need to check everything, they need to check the solution but not the procedure. It needs to be sterile, it will be on their intranet system.

Why?

... another job they have time for ) and she replied but I like you!

It sounds like she was joking.

She's not checking on you for the fun of it, she's trying to do her job and you need the checks.

You're tires and sick and it feels like a lot, but they're trying to help you.

Sorry to hear you're unwell, I hope you are comfortable. Are you in isolation, surely the staff shouldn't come into your room unnecessarily

I’ve had a few appointments recently and I wouldn’t know what a green uniform means, a white uniform with a green stripe, a blue uniform (seen a few different blues) or a white uniform with a blue stripe, a purple uniform, a white uniform with a yellow stripe etc . And I’ve not once heard staff talking about what band they are nor would I understand the implications if I did. So yes, it is a real, honest question.

It's easy to ask what band a nurse is, she may be a b4 waiting for uk registration. I'd speak to the ward manager and express your concerns, is she using the right technique. As band 5 and 6 we had to undergo picc training before we could use them.

I've been in hospital many a time and patient info sets out what uniforms mean what.

Well obviously the OP knows and has asked. People in the same profession usually do. Weird how that's so hard to understand on here and people are using it to kick a seriously unwell person who's feeling vulnerable in hospital.

If she isn't a qualified nurse in this country I wouldn't have thought she should be doing anything to long lines tbh but many hcas do extended roles so perhaps she is. Ask the ward manager.

@EachandEveryone you are coming from knowledge. If in hospital a long time I might ask how long they have been nursing out of general interest but I wouldn’t know what that meant they were qualified to do

I wouldn’t either.

But OP clearly doesn’t have confidence in her, so I hope there is an alternative she feels more comfortable with.

I don’t know one uniform from another. And without overhearing nurses discussing their band? It’s not the kind of thing I would ask.